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spanone

(140,300 posts) Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:06 PM Monday

Vance calls Democrat's shutdown fight 'preposterous'. Last year, he embraced the idea

The vice president, as he appeared with Republican congressional leaders at the White House on Monday, said it was “not reasonable” for Democrats to use their proposals “as leverage and to shut down the government unless we give you everything you want.” He called that “preposterous” and “totally unacceptable.”

But last year, when Vance was a senator and Congress was similarly staring down a potential government shutdown, albeit over different sticking points, he embraced the idea of some Republicans using the threat of a shutdown to negotiate.

“Why shouldn’t we be trying to force this government shutdown fight to get something out of it that’s good for the American people?” Vance said in a September 2024 podcast interview. “Why have a government if it’s not a functioning government?”

https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-9-29-2025#00000199-9761-d753-a19b-9ff1bc120000 (scroll down)

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Vance calls Democrat's shutdown fight 'preposterous'. Last year, he embraced the idea (Original Post) spanone Monday OP

It's NOT Democrats' shutdown fight. The republicans own the government. If republicans Scrivener7 Monday #1

The framing needs to be: you want something from us, then give us something we want newdeal2 Monday #2

And it also needs to be, "If you guys are in such a mess, and can't get your own people Scrivener7 Monday #3

Scrivener7

(57,328 posts)

1. It's NOT Democrats' shutdown fight. The republicans own the government. If republicans

Reply to spanone (Original post)

Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:30 PM

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were not in disarray, they would have the votes to keep the government open. So it's republicans voting to shut the government.

Of course, if the republicans need votes from Democrats to keep the government open, if they can't convince their own party members to vote to do so, then they obviously need to make concessions to those Democrats.

But it isn't the Democrats shutting the government. It's the disarray among the republicans that is responsible for the shutdown.

newdeal2

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2. The framing needs to be: you want something from us, then give us something we want

Reply to Scrivener7 (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:41 PM

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I think anyone can understand the fairness in that message.

Scrivener7

(57,328 posts)

3. And it also needs to be, "If you guys are in such a mess, and can't get your own people

Reply to newdeal2 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:48 PM

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to vote your way, we may be convinced to bail you out, but we will demand things in return."

We had the perfect messaging opportunity in this, and we blew it. Meeting with Cankles? What the hell for?
Sit back and make them come to you.

But they didn't. Again, they didn't.

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