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Tanuki

(16,088 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:08 PM 18 hrs ago

LDS shooter: Iraq vet Thomas Sanford

(Apologies for NYPost source)
https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/iraq-war-veteran-thomas-sanford-idd-as-gunman-who-attacked-grand-blanc-lds-church-killing-2-and-setting-it-ablaze/


"The deranged madman who killed at least two people and injured nine others at a Michigan Latter-day Saints church, torching the building and opening fire on fleeing congregants and their families, has been identified as 40-year-old Thomas Jacob Sanford, The Post can confirm.

Sanford, a US Marine veteran, according to his mom’s Facebook page, rammed his Chevy Silverado truck into the building before unleashing the assault on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan, armed with a semi-automatic rifle."... (more)

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LDS shooter: Iraq vet Thomas Sanford (Original Post) Tanuki 18 hrs ago OP
Bet he was a raging leftist radical. nt intrepidity 18 hrs ago #1
looks trans Takket 18 hrs ago #2
There have been several claims he had a trump/Vance sign posted outside his house Coldwater 18 hrs ago #11
Pics Blue Full Moon 16 hrs ago #36
We won't know for sure.... SergeStorms 16 hrs ago #34
The rush to blame it on politics and one side. Yet the guy is probably like most of these shooters-- someone who needed Silent Type 18 hrs ago #3
You fail to understand that this is defensive on our part because the entire machinery of the current US government Crunchy Frog 17 hrs ago #19
It's been going on for years before trump. Besides, we don't have to be like GOPers. Silent Type 17 hrs ago #23
About time we fought fire with fire. Liberal In Texas 16 hrs ago #28
Because "keeping our powder dry"..... SergeStorms 16 hrs ago #35
The reason this is important Diraven 14 hrs ago #40
What a strange photo. I assume he's holding a child and the bird? hlthe2b 18 hrs ago #4
He's holding the kid who is holding the bird Kaleva 18 hrs ago #6
Noem enid602 16 hrs ago #33
Too many hands. Ping Tung 18 hrs ago #7
Something does seem odd about the kid's hands/arms. Abolishinist 18 hrs ago #10
Because he is turned toward the left Kaleva 18 hrs ago #12
He is holding the child belly to belly sarisataka 18 hrs ago #14
Thanks, looking at it again I see his head is turned, now it makes sense. Abolishinist 17 hrs ago #18
I only see 4 Kaleva 18 hrs ago #13
Hmmmm Traildogbob 18 hrs ago #5
NC shooter was a white vet as well. Mental health issues, availability of weapons, anger... 617Blue 18 hrs ago #8
This psycho is a one-man army Coldwater 18 hrs ago #9
Sounds Rebl2 18 hrs ago #15
Or it's in retaliation for the killing of Kirk Kaleva 17 hrs ago #16
This is pretty much how I pictured he'd look Siwsan 17 hrs ago #17
I refuse to accept anything from the NYComPost at face value... regnaD kciN 17 hrs ago #20
It's kind of difficult to do when n you have an image like this JI7 17 hrs ago #22
So I'm guessing we won't be hearing much about this anymore JI7 17 hrs ago #21
CORRECT Skittles 16 hrs ago #29
Killers often begin with animals IbogaProject 16 hrs ago #24
ugh, anyone who finds killing entertaining Skittles 16 hrs ago #30
Aw, poor bird. calimary 16 hrs ago #25
When it's a straight white dude it's a 'deranged madman' SeattleVet 16 hrs ago #26
All those mean lefties trans rhetorics are making the gun toting magats react by shooting up Liberal In Texas 16 hrs ago #31
Trump's "crackdown on crime" can't do shit about Klarkashton 16 hrs ago #27
Right? intheflow 15 hrs ago #39
Get used to it folks, it's only going to get worse. With criminals running the government, the courts, the JD, people ImNotGod 16 hrs ago #32
I do think it's connected to the NC shooting. Blue Full Moon 16 hrs ago #37
This message was self-deleted by its author DownriverDem 15 hrs ago #38
Another case of--MAGACIDE! Brought to you by Trump, Inc. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 13 hrs ago #41
I wonder how many learn to kill Tree Lady 13 hrs ago #42
Aren't ya proud, sonny! choie 13 hrs ago #43

Coldwater

(228 posts)
11. There have been several claims he had a trump/Vance sign posted outside his house
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:42 PM
18 hrs ago

but after a few false claims already this morning/afternoon I'm a bit suspicious until I actually see the sign.

SergeStorms

(19,785 posts)
34. We won't know for sure....
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:33 PM
16 hrs ago

until the paint dries on the shell casings Kash Patel is supplying to the media.

Silent Type

(11,262 posts)
3. The rush to blame it on politics and one side. Yet the guy is probably like most of these shooters-- someone who needed
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:18 PM
18 hrs ago

mental health diagnosis and treatment, though not in his 20s like most shooters since Oswald.

Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)
19. You fail to understand that this is defensive on our part because the entire machinery of the current US government
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:59 PM
17 hrs ago

is trying to paint this and other similar events as some vast left wing terrorist conspiracy. And they have stated their intent to go after any individual or group that they can paint as "supporting left wing violence". And they mean us. So yes, we're going to point it out when these perpetrators of violence don't fit the profile or the narrative that they're pushing.

Diraven

(1,614 posts)
40. The reason this is important
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 08:20 PM
14 hrs ago

Is that Trump and his goons are just waiting for one more attack they can pin on an "indoctrinated left wing radical" to start their violent fantasy crackdown on liberals, Democrats, trans people, and anyone who supports or funds them as "terrorists". It's a literal powder keg, and unfortunately we have to keep diffusing it. And unfortunately they'll probably get their way eventually because it doesn't matter how many right wing radical murders happen they will conveniently ignore because they don't fit their agenda, before that one that they can blame on us.

hlthe2b

(111,497 posts)
4. What a strange photo. I assume he's holding a child and the bird?
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:20 PM
18 hrs ago

Perhaps without the blurring of the face (?) it would be less bizarre.

Abolishinist

(2,782 posts)
10. Something does seem odd about the kid's hands/arms.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:38 PM
18 hrs ago

His arms seem too long. And why is he in such a twisted position, holding the bird with his left hand vs. the right.

sarisataka

(22,012 posts)
14. He is holding the child belly to belly
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:48 PM
18 hrs ago

The child is rotating their body to face the camera. At first glance it isn't obvious due to the camo. Once the positioning is deciphered, there is nothing wrong with the proportions

Abolishinist

(2,782 posts)
18. Thanks, looking at it again I see his head is turned, now it makes sense.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:58 PM
17 hrs ago

Last edited Sun Sep 28, 2025, 07:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Traildogbob

(11,902 posts)
5. Hmmmm
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:21 PM
18 hrs ago

Duck Dynasty Fox freak? If it looks, walks and smells like a Duck….eliminate all religion that is not the Megan Kelly White one.
Petal Will recover a bullet with a detailed radical lib confession on the casing, like those skilled Asians write a book on a grain of rice.

617Blue

(2,037 posts)
8. NC shooter was a white vet as well. Mental health issues, availability of weapons, anger...
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:29 PM
18 hrs ago

Siwsan

(27,730 posts)
17. This is pretty much how I pictured he'd look
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:54 PM
17 hrs ago

Classic Burton resident. Lots of good people in Burton. Too many MAGAt, though.

regnaD kciN

(27,307 posts)
20. I refuse to accept anything from the NYComPost at face value...
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 05:13 PM
17 hrs ago

…but note that, normally, their “unconfirmed information” tends to echo the MAGA line, so the fact that they’re not identifying the assailant as a “trans ANTIFA Marxist” may be telling.

JI7

(92,704 posts)
22. It's kind of difficult to do when n you have an image like this
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 05:24 PM
17 hrs ago

What will happen is they will just stop talking about it and pretend it never happened just as they do with Colorado and the Pennsylvania shooting that killed multiple law enforcement recently.

Skittles

(167,731 posts)
29. CORRECT
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:16 PM
16 hrs ago

only if the shooter is trans or an immigrant (or if the victim is a racist celebrity)

Skittles

(167,731 posts)
30. ugh, anyone who finds killing entertaining
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:17 PM
16 hrs ago

gotta love the ones who photograph their victory over......a duck

SeattleVet

(5,746 posts)
26. When it's a straight white dude it's a 'deranged madman'
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:08 PM
16 hrs ago

If it's anyone else they somehow transform into a trans dem leftist.

Liberal In Texas

(15,650 posts)
31. All those mean lefties trans rhetorics are making the gun toting magats react by shooting up
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:19 PM
16 hrs ago

a church or a mall or a rightwing podcaster or ...

See it's actually the radical left. (Radical Left = Anybody against Trump)


Klarkashton

(4,092 posts)
27. Trump's "crackdown on crime" can't do shit about
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:10 PM
16 hrs ago

These mass murders.

I'll bet trump says nothing much about this one.

intheflow

(29,747 posts)
39. Right?
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 07:23 PM
15 hrs ago

The real violence isn’t happening in blue cities, it’s happening in rural heartland kind of places. And it sure as hell isn’t being done by immigrants, asylum seekers, POC, women, or antifa.

ImNotGod

(1,146 posts)
32. Get used to it folks, it's only going to get worse. With criminals running the government, the courts, the JD, people
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:20 PM
16 hrs ago

are being groomed to be lawless, take what they want, do what they want. We are watching the breakdown of our society and no one can stop it.

Blue Full Moon

(2,904 posts)
37. I do think it's connected to the NC shooting.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:53 PM
16 hrs ago

Both 40 yr old Iraq war vets.
Reminds me of the Las Vegas and New Orleans attacks.

Response to Tanuki (Original post)

choie

(6,141 posts)
43. Aren't ya proud, sonny!
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 09:53 PM
13 hrs ago

I killed a bird that had no way to defend himself. Look at that blood! Aren't guns great?

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