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Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 03:37 PM 13 hrs ago

Photo that shows the gunman's truck crashed into the Mormon church in Michigan. (Twitter)




Looks like a radical left loonie to me.
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Photo that shows the gunman's truck crashed into the Mormon church in Michigan. (Twitter) (Original Post) Crunchy Frog 13 hrs ago OP
Flag waver ZDU 13 hrs ago #1
Yep. Two of 'em, one on each side so you just can't miss 'em. calimary 10 hrs ago #30
His Trump 2028 flag.... SergeStorms 10 hrs ago #36
When I visit Antelope Valley I see a lot of cars and trucks like that............... Lovie777 13 hrs ago #2
They must all be radical left terrorists. Crunchy Frog 13 hrs ago #8
Someone with compounded nether region issues. TheBlackAdder 13 hrs ago #3
What does that mean? TommyT139 11 hrs ago #26
Truck enid602 13 hrs ago #4
Lots of them are white... regnaD kciN 10 hrs ago #43
Kirk's alleged killer was raised as a Mormon Kaleva 13 hrs ago #5
Was Kirk a Mormon? murielm99 13 hrs ago #6
I don't think Kirk himself was a Mormon Kaleva 13 hrs ago #10
No, He was an Evangelical xtian. n/t Jacson6 11 hrs ago #24
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... Lovie777 13 hrs ago #9
Other reports say this truck belongs to a first responder Abnredleg 13 hrs ago #7
The truck is registered to the shooter Pototan 11 hrs ago #22
Probably some sort of fake. Srkdqltr 12 hrs ago #11
I've already seen completely different photographs of the same truck. Crunchy Frog 12 hrs ago #12
Pic was before fire took over. Here's aftermath, truck still visible, flags still visible Bernardo de La Paz 12 hrs ago #13
Thank you. First responders don't usually smash their trucks into sides of buildings do they? Crunchy Frog 12 hrs ago #14
It appears that truck did indeed slammed into the church............... Lovie777 12 hrs ago #15
A few questions come to mind from seeing this photo. taxi 12 hrs ago #17
He could have gotten his speed heading west down McCandish Rd Kaleva 11 hrs ago #21
Veered right for sure kbowman 10 hrs ago #28
Accelerants were surely used.... SergeStorms 10 hrs ago #38
Both sides rushing to place blame on other side. Actual cause - most likely mental health and guns - totally forgotten. Silent Type 12 hrs ago #16
Bothsidesing this isn't valid. Crunchy Frog 10 hrs ago #29
Antifa truck for sure! Sancho 11 hrs ago #18
40-yr-old former Marine, Iraq war vet AverageOldGuy 11 hrs ago #19
Just outside of Flint ybbor 11 hrs ago #23
One American flag IbogaProject 11 hrs ago #27
Now I'm wondering if this isn't the same scenario Blue Full Moon 10 hrs ago #34
When will we decide against drawing conclusions based on limited information? Raven123 11 hrs ago #20
Yup orangecrush 10 hrs ago #40
MURICA! Fuck yeah! USA, USA, USA! Maru Kitteh 11 hrs ago #25
The shooters house Blue Full Moon 10 hrs ago #31
What's with the stop sign? Is that part of the message? newdeal2 10 hrs ago #37
License Plate also has the words Iraq Coldwater 10 hrs ago #32
These depraved idiots have tried to turn the stars and stripes Grim Chieftain 10 hrs ago #33
The flag on the left looks like the blue stripe flag supporting cops the MAGAs display. nt doc03 10 hrs ago #35
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush 10 hrs ago #39
Was there no room for him to get out on the drivers side? vanlassie 10 hrs ago #41
That's a helluva fire for a mass murder. Any word on what caused that? Hekate 10 hrs ago #42
. dalton99a 9 hrs ago #44
If the Mormons were smart, they'd reconsider their ties to the Far Right Vogon_Glory 9 hrs ago #45

calimary

(87,928 posts)
30. Yep. Two of 'em, one on each side so you just can't miss 'em.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:03 PM
10 hrs ago

Reminds me of that song title “Your Flag Decal Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore.”

SergeStorms

(19,785 posts)
36. His Trump 2028 flag....
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:19 PM
10 hrs ago

must have fallen off when he was picking up speed before ramming the church. Another armed-to-the-teeth right-wing loony "making a statement."

enid602

(9,540 posts)
4. Truck
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 03:43 PM
13 hrs ago

But aren’t all pickups driven by the radical right black in color? With ‘truck nuts’ under the back bumper? And an overfowing ash tray?

Kaleva

(39,967 posts)
10. I don't think Kirk himself was a Mormon
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 03:50 PM
13 hrs ago

I do not know if Robinson, the shooter, himself was a practicing Mormon as an adult.

Abnredleg

(1,159 posts)
7. Other reports say this truck belongs to a first responder
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 03:48 PM
13 hrs ago

Maybe we should take everything with a grain of salt and let the facts come out?

Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)
12. I've already seen completely different photographs of the same truck.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 03:59 PM
12 hrs ago

Nevertheless, I understand that everything is foggy so early on after an event of this nature.

Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)
14. Thank you. First responders don't usually smash their trucks into sides of buildings do they?
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:10 PM
12 hrs ago

I'm asking because there are people on this thread saying that it was a first responder.

taxi

(2,534 posts)
17. A few questions come to mind from seeing this photo.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:48 PM
12 hrs ago

The first being on the extent of the fire. Wasn't there an operable sprinkler system? That's quite a conflagration from a truck hitting a wall.
The second is how the truck could have reasonably be expected to penetrate the brick wall. The roadway in the foreground is not in a direct line with the area targeted, and involved going against the one-way traffic markers. Then there doesn't appear to be a tearing up of the grass or marks on the curb. It seems there would have to be some type of incendiary device introduced into the building.

Kaleva

(39,967 posts)
21. He could have gotten his speed heading west down McCandish Rd
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 05:27 PM
11 hrs ago

Veered right and headed right to the church

SergeStorms

(19,785 posts)
38. Accelerants were surely used....
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:25 PM
10 hrs ago

I'm not sure of incendiary devices, though. It could have been something as simple as an old-fashioned Molotov cocktail.

Silent Type

(11,261 posts)
16. Both sides rushing to place blame on other side. Actual cause - most likely mental health and guns - totally forgotten.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:24 PM
12 hrs ago

Crunchy Frog

(28,068 posts)
29. Bothsidesing this isn't valid.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:02 PM
10 hrs ago

Our side doesn't control the machinery of repression or of "law" enforcement. We don't have the ability to make policy on the "cracking down on domestic terrorism". They do, and are actively using it to target their political opponents (us), which is not something our side has ever done.

It's completely valid for us to point out when perpetrators of violence don't fit the regime's narrative.

AverageOldGuy

(3,000 posts)
19. 40-yr-old former Marine, Iraq war vet
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 05:18 PM
11 hrs ago
https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-marine-veteran-thomas-jacob-sanford-identified-as-michigan-church-shooter-report/

Authorities have identified a Marine veteran as the gunman who opened fire at a Michigan church and later set it ablaze, killing at least two people and wounding eight others on Sunday.

Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40, from Burton was confirmed as the shooter at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints chapel in Grand Blanc Township about an hour from Detroit.

The New York Post reported that an old Facebook post by Sanford’s mother indicated he served in Iraq from 2004 to 2008.



Everything I read says "hundreds" of people were inside the church. Reports are that he was driving a Chevy pickup flying two big Amereican flags, rammed into the church doors, started shooting, then, something exploded. Overhead photos show the church as a big building, totally involved in flames. Most reports quote local authorities anticipate a lot of dead after they get the fire out.

Other comments I have read on various blogs says this is a rural part of Michigan that went heavily from Trump with MAGAts everywhere.

ybbor

(1,676 posts)
23. Just outside of Flint
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 05:36 PM
11 hrs ago

Not very urban, but I wouldn’t call it rural. Grand Blanc used to be the very affluent suburb of Flint before GM closed the majority of the plants, still nice, but not the same. Rural doesn’t come to mind. I grew up in Flint, and still have family in the area. Know it well.

Blue Full Moon

(2,904 posts)
34. Now I'm wondering if this isn't the same scenario
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:11 PM
10 hrs ago

As the New Orleans and Las Vegas. The guy who shot up the seafood restaurant. Another 40 yr old combat veteran. He tried to sue the government over straight white men genocide.

Grim Chieftain

(641 posts)
33. These depraved idiots have tried to turn the stars and stripes
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:06 PM
10 hrs ago

Into a symbol of hatred, intolerance and violence. Damn them.

doc03

(38,435 posts)
35. The flag on the left looks like the blue stripe flag supporting cops the MAGAs display. nt
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 06:12 PM
10 hrs ago

Response to Crunchy Frog (Original post)

Vogon_Glory

(10,069 posts)
45. If the Mormons were smart, they'd reconsider their ties to the Far Right
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 07:32 PM
9 hrs ago

If the Mormons were wise, they’d reconsider any ties they have to the Extreme Right. The Saints were widely persecuted in the mid—19 th century, and despite wishful thinking on the part of many LDS’ers and their leadership, the bigotry and hate directed at them way back when may have dwindled from what it once was, but it hasn’t died out. In the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s abrupt departure from this mortal plane, those voices of hatred and religious bigotry are beginning to be heard again. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Mormons soon find themselves seated next to Muslims on the Radical Right’s hate list. Then they can relive their forebears’ persecution and calumny.

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