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bigtree

(92,769 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:11 PM Sunday

Martial law?

...could the general wisdom among the media be wrong, with Trump and Hegseth actually organizing a Project 2026 plan for a mass military takeover of Democratic cities as Trump has basically promised?

I mean, you have to ask.

Robert Costa @costareports 1h
Per WashPost, President Trump will attend the gathering of generals...

Trump to attend gathering of top generals, upending last-minute plans

“We have confirmation from the White House that POTUS is now attending the speech on Tuesday,” according to a planning document sent Saturday and viewed by The Washington Post.

The addition of the president at Quantico will now put the Secret Service in charge of securing the event. Hundreds of the military’s top commanding generals and admirals, ranked one-star and above, along with their senior enlisted leaders were ordered to attend by Hegseth last week. The orders provided no reason for the event and initially raised concern among attendees and military officials that he was gathering the group to inform them of mass firings or demotions.

“It’s the mother of all photo ops,” said Eugene R. Fidell, a military law expert at Yale Law School. The potential for the event to be politicized, and add to the politicization of the military, “is tremendously concerning and should be tremendously concerning to the American people.”

Trump’s deployment order also comes just days after he signed an executive order directing the nation’s law enforcement and military capabilities to be used against “domestic terrorism and organized political violence,” an edict that gives the administration sweeping powers to investigate and prosecute a broad array of political opponents.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/09/28/trump-hegseth-speech-generals-quantico-security/


...flashback:

On July 30, 2025, Donald Trump reposted a message on Truth Social that’s already sending shockwaves through political and media circles.

The post, originally shared by a user named “Extremely Stable Genius,” features a black-and-white image of Abraham Lincoln along with a caption comparing modern-day sanctuary city mayors to Southern governors who rebelled during the Civil War. It goes further, suggesting that President Trump should “declare martial law,” arrest mayors, appoint military governors, and restore the rule of law—just like Lincoln did.”



Trump reshared the post without adding a caption of his own, but the endorsement of the message by reposting it is being viewed by many as a serious escalation in rhetoric against cities that refuse to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-just-reposted-a-martial-law-message-and-people-are-sounding-the-alarm/ar-AA1JBzwG
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bucolic_frolic

(52,556 posts)
1. There aren't enough troops to occupy all the churches
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:16 PM
Sunday

which seem to be the hotbeds of violence these days

bigtree

(92,769 posts)
4. well you only need to control the cities you want
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:26 PM
Sunday

...in order to disrupt elections, for instance.

Needs more imagination. We're presently in the middle of a dystopian nightmare, and we shouldn't assume that because they can't control everyone they can't disrupt democracy and society in ways that severely limit our freedoms and our ability to control the government as a society.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,863 posts)
2. Reality check:
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:16 PM
Sunday

Nationwide martial is a physical impossibility.

Lincoln only had to manage the Union states, not 350 million people across the entire continent.

Trump couldn’t even control 10 million in LA.

bigtree

(92,769 posts)
3. if you mean it wouldn't be successful, I agree
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:24 PM
Sunday

...but I wouldn't rule out a clumsy, mass imposition of military into Democratic cities before the election to sieze voting machines, or any of the other voter suppression plans.

I don't think we should assume that just because they can't they won't try, and that would devastate and impact many democratic and social institutions, as well as the independence of our system of elections.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,863 posts)
7. The potential for chaos and destruction is great
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:40 PM
Sunday

But the possibility of total control is nil.

Even attempts to seize voting machines would be met with resistance from the states, and I don’t think they would be successful at preventing blue states from sending representatives to Congress.

bigtree

(92,769 posts)
10. I think the concern is a bit more important
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:52 PM
Sunday

...when you're looking at the small margins in the Senate and the House they need to overcome.

It doesn't take much to shift the balance just so to advantage one side or the other, and when you consider all of the tools Trump has available, many that other presidents didn't dare attempt to employ, you have to have some concern for his manipulations affecting the outcome.

And this isn't a zero sum dilemma.I get that people look at the country and determine that it's strong enough, collectively, to bear an autocratic regime.

But if you take individual harm into account, and don't just regard those abuses as essentially collateral, then you might view these autocratic moves as more than shuffling deck chairs.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,863 posts)
13. The senate was always going to be tough
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 01:07 PM
Sunday

But the narrow republican margin in the house works in our favor, because Dems are likely to gain 20-30 seats, despite gerrymandering.

With the fierce Dem govs and strong willed Dem secs of state we have, I feel pretty confident we will prevail despite any MAGA chicanery.

I think turnout will be higher than normal for an off year election, and that too will work in our favor, especially if young voters increase their turnout.

bigtree

(92,769 posts)
14. not really sure about downplaying the threat to the next election
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 02:43 PM
Sunday

...I'd think vigilence would be our best defense, not confidence, especially after the last loss.

And not sure about brushing past the concerted efforts by republicans, advantaged by the weight of the federal government to restrict or eliminate voting rights and registrations, with assertions about turnout.

The Trump Administration’s Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

They include:

attempting to rewrite election rules to burden voters and usurp control of election systems;

targeting or threatening to target election officials and others who keep elections free and fair;

supporting people who undermine election administration; and

retreating from the federal government’s role of protecting voters and the election process.

To be sure, previous elections were marred by rules and practices that hindered full participation. Restrictive voting laws (some of which had already been ruled unconstitutional), skewed maps, and bomb threats at polling places impeded the freedom to vote. Federal officials had an important role in countering disinformation and combatting racial discrimination. This federal protection for fair elections may no longer exist.

The president’s attempt to interfere with voting systems is not novel. In his first term, he tried to direct the attorney general, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to seize voting machines. He was unsuccessful. Yet now there are signs that the federal government may already be attempting to interfere with voting systems, beyond anything expressed in the executive order. A DHS official and an individual claiming to work for the administration have asked election officials in Colorado for access to their voting equipment.

Third, the order calls on the administration’s new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and DHS to obtain state voter files and other records kept by election officials, including voter list maintenance records. The DOJ has already requested voter lists from at least nine states, and at least two have provided them. Unredacted voter files and voter list maintenance records can contain sensitive private information about U.S. citizens. Other records may contain information that is subject to access controls for security reasons. Relatedly, the order mandates that states have access to federal citizenship data for voter list maintenance purposes; DHS recently overhauled and expanded the scope of its program for states to identify supposed noncitizens on the voter rolls.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trump-administrations-campaign-undermine-next-election

Fiendish Thingy

(20,863 posts)
15. Of course vigilance against chicanery
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 04:06 PM
Sunday

But that doesn’t negate having confidence that the majority of the people will be on our side by November 2026.

bigtree

(92,769 posts)
8. good point
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:45 PM
Sunday

...it really does appear to be, mainly, just Trump struggling to accumulate power which doesn't necessarily leverage conrol over all Americans, just a select (increasing) number for whatever purpose.

It's still OUR power and authority that he's supposed to just be managing for the American people, so I'm not as enthralled or particularily exercised right now over whatever is personally at stake for him, as much as I'm concerned with the people he uses like toilet paper.

bigtree

(92,769 posts)
12. he still needs to perform a few more tasks for Putin
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:54 PM
Sunday

...something he must realize by now is a permanent leash of Kompromat.

Initech

(106,427 posts)
11. I don't want these assholes taking over my city!
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:54 PM
Sunday

Fuck Trump, fuck Hegseth and fuck their stupid military psych-out bullshit!

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