N/T.

It encourages Spite and Vengefulness.

Understanding and
Peace should be the goal

Oh the irony...

Understanding and Peace are not valid goals?
I don't believe there is anyone here who doesn't desire that.

Or do you just want the cycle to continue?
If there's no forgiveness, there can't be Peace.

https://www.seedsofpeace.org/

Do you not see the bitter irony in calling for peace and understanding in the future while NOT calling out an ACTIVE GENOCIDE?

Anyone not condemning Israel by now seems to have a very selective, even self-serving, notions of peace and understanding.

Stop the genocide and ethnic cleansing. Then hold Israel accountable including withdrawal from the OPT per the ICJ ruling and reparations for decades of destruction, land confiscations and killing.

Anyone not agreeing to those terms is not pro-peace, they are for continuing the abuse, subjugation and erasure of Palestinians in order to support the creation of Greater Israel.

It's what I meant. I hope it is clearer now.

What do you think will come about?
I'm not condoning any attack on Palestinians, but in order to have lasting peace, there needs to be understanding and forgiveness.

What is happening now in Gaza and the West Bank is the result of not seeking understanding and forgiveness - no matter which "side" you support. Hamas is not innocent - neither is Netanyahu and Israeli right wing.

I'm not Christian but this quote of Matthew 7: 3-5 says it all:

I'm not ascribing blame to any one side, but just the sentiment in general.
Either one wants peace or eternal war.
Personally, I choose peace and will not support blame nor vengeance on innocents - either Palestinian or Israeli.
This has to end now.

No one talked of peace and forgiveness on October 7th as Israelis were being attacked and murdered. They would have been shamed and ridiculed for that kind of inhumane response. Precious lives were being lost.

The same compassion should be afforded to Palestinians but as we have clearly seen, their lives are just not as important or precious. So many horrific crimes, wanton destruction and terror on civilians but Israelis and defenders did not see anything wrong with it and still do not.

Forgiveness is not what Israelis seek from others, it is their mutual denial and complicity in the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

When that changes, we can talk about forgiveness.

You said "never."

Are you talking about Palestinians or about Hamas?

Where are the hostages?
Yes, I went there.
I'm not justifying Israel's actions, but ... what about the hostages?
What has Hamas done to engender a cease fire?

To be clear, I do not support Netanyahu or Likud nor wanton violence against innocents - any innocents, or land grabs.
Where do you place any responsibility on what is happening now on Hamas?

I do not abide by comparison of numbers of people killed.
ONE death is too many, so please don't go there.

Why the same old refrain? "What about the hostages" is always said as a deflection from Israel's crimes which also completely denies who is responsible for the hostages not being returned.

THE HOSTAGES WOULD ALL HAVE BEEN HOME BY NOW WERE IT NOT FOR NETANYAHU'S OBSTRUCTION AND SABOTAGING OF ALL CEASEFIRE NEGOTIATIONS AND THE BREAKING OF THE LAST CEASEFIRE. Because cleansing Gaza of Palestinians and murdering as many as possible the meantime was more important to him than saving the lives of his own people.

You need to read up, all the information is out there, including confessions and accusations of sabotage against Netanyahu from Biden's own senior officials after the election. Hamas has wanted a ceasefire for eons, return the hostages but Netanyahu would not agree to their condition to withdraw from Gaza and end the war.

So the answer to your question is Netanyahu doesn't care if they are all dead or will be soon - they will be sacrificed by him for Israel's "greater good". Even many Israelis have caught on to that, I'm actually pretty shocked that there are still people here on DU who have not.

Hamas is responsible for its own crimes, but not Israel's. Hamas did not create Israel's genocidal nature. It was there since 1948.

Whitewashing Israel's genocide by pointing to the "instigator" does not work with me. There is no justifiable instigation possible for genocide, it is the crime of all crimes.

If one death is too many, you must be quite distraught at the likely (we will soon find out) 100,000 ++deaths of Palestinians. I went there too.

Or do you give special dispensation to Israelis. If so, why?

Very astute of you.

When it comes to Israel, the double standards never cease to amaze, or rather, horrify.

They don't hold today's Germany responsible for Hitler and his followers.
Hitler's intentions were to kill all Jews ... and others, but mostly Jewish people.

If you don't know what I feel or believe about Netanyahu and Israel's right wing, then you haven't been paying attention.

People also ask
Does Israel have good relations with Germany?
Germany is Israel's largest trading partner in Europe and Israel's second most important trading partner after the United States. Israeli imports from Germany amount to some USD 2.3 billion annually, while Israel is Germany's fourth largest trading partner in the North Africa/Middle East region.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=relations+between+Israel+and+Germany

A simple google search that you could have done yourself before making baseless accusations.
I could report your post for your defamatory remarks and innuendo about me. But I'll let it stand.

I asked you two questions rather than assuming your views. You chose to respond with defensiveness rather than an answer, which is your right.

I don’t do Google searches on other posters. I read what they say, and most simply state their opinions. That is the purpose of a discussion board.

Ordinarily, I would respond with something about the Nuremberg trials, but you clearly don’t want to discuss the issue, so I will oblige.

"Hamas did not create Israel's genocidal nature. It was there since 1948."

Thank you, now I understand where you stand.

I think we have nothing to discuss at this point.

https://www.reuters.com/world/the-peace-movement-was-orphaned-says-son-activist-killed-oct-7-2023-11-16/

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/israel-palestinians-kibbutz-attack/

Noble cause aka land grab and vengeance against helpless people.

No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

NO cause justifies the deaths of innocent people.

What do you think that vengeance brings?
What are the benefits of vengeful thinking?
Does it bring peace?
Prosperity?

If people want to continue to foment hate, what is the benefit?

That will only continue the cycle.
Tell me.
What do you think will end the enmity?

I've posted links to organizations that are actually working on peace between Israelis and Palestinians, but somehow
they just get ignored. Why is that?

Not including names of infants who died under rubble.

Link to tweet

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MoH data from May 2025 had 916 infants under one listed as killed but the killing of children has increased big time since May - so some say you could add another 1000 to that list. I did notice a huge increase in pics of dead children in last few months on X.

Also - estimated around 4,000 Gaza children have at least one amputation. Largest amputation rate of kids in whole world.

Seems like everyday in Gaza a number of families with children Are murdered. Many days the death toll is over 100.

That is all

Bibi is a murdering thug

Shout out to the 2% who think the killing has gone too far - the leftists and the long-time peace activists.

Without the support of the large majority, Bibi would not have dared to do what he did.

No one can say they didn't know. Everybody knows.