of logical fallacies which veered away from the original premises of the arguments, creating chaos and impossibility to respond.

And then there were the kind employed by Rush Limbaugh, who didn’t employ logic or reasoning but who depended on ridicule and demonizing.

He couldn’t do any in depth argumentation because, gasp, he might have to read.

and the class Gish Gallop (machine-gun delivery of issues in a clump).

Delivered in a loud, boisterous style that did not in any way facilitate the give and take of productive exchange.

He argues more or less exactly like a creationist. He was a big fan of the Gish gallop, equivocation, false equivalence, non-representative sample, invoking questionable authorities, etc.

And, just like fundamentalists confronted with vile passages from their bible, Kirk (and his fanbois) insist that these direct quotes are "taken out of context."

He was a public figure. He didn't deserve to die. No innocent should. He chose to be a public figure. He also chose to be a Republican which has a long standing policy of messing up the Healthcare options for 44,000 people a year resulting in their death. And they are innocents too. This stuff is damned important to the future lives of those college kids Kirk used to argue with. Their lives hang in the balance too because not all those university kids Kirk debated will be rich enough, or employed enough, to get healthcare in the anti-democracy the GOP/MAGA want to construct.

You know who else we are not supposed to talk about after they die? Schoolchildren who get shot. And Charlie Kirk had opinions and argued with college kids about how he was okay with this tradeoff so long as the second amendment is 'protected'. Those mass murders of children and others brutalizes the country and teaches Americans to accept atrocities. Charlie Kirk was interested in schooling children in heartlessness by suggesting children see public executions.

A lot of innocent people are dead. I care about the living because there is still a chance to help them. How long would you have me cease and desist from discussing politics, as politics was and as politics is, after Charlie Kirk was assasinated? A month? A year? Just a blanket ban on ever discussing Kirk and his political legacy?

Your team is narrowing the terms of what we can discuss. Your perspective is shrinking. You are driven by fear and you have been fooled into misplacing what you should be afraid of. Pretty soon you will be fully robotic appendages to MAGA with no will of your own. And we on the Democratic side will be open and loving of our neighbours and fully human and we will talk freely.

Here. Let me expand a little.

He’s dead. He’s gone. I’m glad he’s gone. (Not how he left. That’s a different issue.)
And I can’t wait til you guys quit pumping him up so he’ll finally fade away into obscurity.

(“Your team”? Really? Get some fucking sleep, man. )

This is an ex-Kirk. This Kirk is no longer amongst the living. This is a former Kirk. It has shuffled off its mortal coil.

He's dead, an as much as the right seems to think otherwise I'm certain he will remain that way.

For purposes of propaganda, he is very much alive. Perhaps moreso now than three weeks ago.

His youtube channel is filled with "Lefty owned", "Dumb purple haired feminist", "Liberal brainrot" videos. I don't think he ever went "I was wrong you've changed my mind on this". Channels like these are just tools for the right to dehumanize & vilify their opponents.

The media's rush to canonize him is nauseating, and I get the sick feeling that similar adoration will be heaped on Trump when his years-overdue stroke finally takes him out.

Don't make him debate even more educated people.

Kirk won when he could bluster and lie through a subject, which looks great on TicToc unless you know things. But often he didn't even survive with that. The dude had no substance, nothing worth saying, and won't be remembered because he isn't actually interesting. Move on.

Students younger than him owned him.

Because they were smart, prepared, and the video wasn't edited by Kirk's team.