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U.S. Magistrate Judge Lindsey Vaala expressed confusion and surprise at some points during the seven-minute court session...
"So this has never happened before. I've been handed two documents that are in the Mr. Comey case that are inconsistent with one another," Vaala said to Halligan. "There seems to be a discrepancy. They're both signed by the (grand jury) foreperson."
And she noted that one document did not clearly indicate what the grand jury had decided.
"The one that says it's a failure to concur in an indictment, it doesn't say with respect to one count," Vaala said. "It looks like they failed to concur across all three counts, so I'm a little confused as to why I was handed two things with the same case number that are inconsistent."
Halligan initially responded that she hadn't seen that version of the indictment.
"So I only reviewed the one with the two counts that our office redrafted when we found out about the two two counts that were true billed, and I signed that one. I did not see the other one. I don't know where that came from," Halligan told the judge.
Vaala responded, "You didn't see it?" And Halligan again told her, "I did not see that one."
Vaala seemed surprised: "So your office didn't prepare the indictment that they "
Halligan then replied, "No, no, no I no, I prepared three counts. I only signed the one the two-count (indictment). I don't know which one with three counts you have in your hands."
"Okay. It has your signature on it," Vaala told Halligan, who responded, "Okay. Well."
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Okay. Well. Indeed. Ms. Halligan, you are so f-ing far out of your depth it is staggering. Perhaps go back to being an insurance lawyer. You certainly have absolutely NO business attempting to prosecute a shoplifter, much less a former FBI director.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-james-comey-indictment-confusion-trump/
And if you need a little detail on how baseless/incompetent/nonsensical the indictment is, there's a little background on it in this post::
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220678536#post1

malaise
(289,470 posts)This is madness.
That is all
Original post was intended as a reply to a different thread.
My reply below applies here too
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220680187#post6

Baitball Blogger
(50,968 posts)They can't even tie it into the grand juries' findings?
Deuxcents
(24,164 posts)Baitball Blogger
(50,968 posts)Deuxcents
(24,164 posts)All within a week? A rush job that cant get out of the gate and headed up by an inexperienced person who doesnt or cant decline the offer to bring the case in the first place because of pride or loyalty.
O, boy! This is gonna be interesting 🤨
pat_k
(11,873 posts)Probably pulled together from what some FOX News shill was accusing Comey of back in 2020.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220680187#post9
pat_k
(11,873 posts)There was reporting that the indictment was coming early in the week, so there must have been leaks that Halligan was presenting to a grand jury.
Back in 2020, they were obsessed with discrediting Comey. The ONLY "smoking gun" they could come up with then was the notion that Comey "authorized" McCabe's leak of the status of the investigation into the Clinton Foundation in 2017.
In response to Sen. Ted Fucking Cruz (to use his full name), Mr. Comey stated simply, and by all subsequent investigation, truthfully, that he had never authorized a leak of information.
It was a pretty simple set of facts to present, so wouldn't take long, particularly because what Halligan presented undoubtedly excluded the fact the accusations had already been investigated and dispensed with, or the fact that her predecessor was fired for refusing to pursue an indictment because there was no "there" there.
AI summary:
Inspector general's conclusion: A later investigation by the DOJ inspector general found that while McCabe had shared information, FBI rules allowed the deputy director to speak with the media without authorization. The report also concluded that former FBI Director James Comey had not authorized the leak.
Justice
(7,218 posts)3Hotdogs
(14,589 posts)Would that surprise anyone?
W_HAMILTON
(9,559 posts)pat_k
(11,873 posts)We need to stop with talking about the regime like it is this all powerful juggernaut.
47 and the minions in his regime are weak, cack-handed bunglers who are sowing chaos and misery. They are incapable of solving anything more complex than a wordle puzzle.
And 47 has never built anything that benefited anyone but himself or one of the other bullies on his "playground" that he plays sniveling sidekick to.

Sneederbunk
(16,825 posts)


pat_k
(11,873 posts)At least the vast majority of judges in courts at every level, with the tragic and intolerable exception of the six black-robed traitors on SCOTUS.
moniss
(8,124 posts)call the jury foreperson in and question them about what all went on.
pat_k
(11,873 posts)Buddyzbuddy
(1,549 posts)that they couldn't get an indictment on, into the record to muddy the waters? Or is she just that dumb and careless?
One is cunning, and the other is clueless. Personally, I hope for one, but be prepared for the other.
pat_k
(11,873 posts)DET
(2,230 posts)Does this mean that the judge has a document that implies that the jury did not indict on ANY of the counts, and a conflicting document that says that they agreed to indict on two counts? Are they on the same date and time? How is this possible? Maybe Im reading too much into this, but this would seem to imply that Halligan fabricated one of these documents, presumably the one that shows two indictments by the grand jury. If so, that would have huge repercussions. Damn, this gets confusing.
spooky3
(37,928 posts)pat_k
(11,873 posts)More on that here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220680187#post24
I know people like her would probably be happy to fabricate if they thought they could get away with it, but she is so inexperienced she'd just be too clueless about chances of being caught.
pat_k
(11,873 posts)I'm guessing that she did manage to get 14 of 23 to vote a "true bill" on two of the counts presented, particularly since I have little doubt she excluded the fact the accusations had already been investigated and dispensed with, or the fact that her predecessor was fired for refusing to pursue an indictment because there was no "there" there.
Grand juries are prosecutors instruments. While they can be highly selective in what to present (they are only required to present exculpatory evidence in certain jurisdictions) any prosecutor who gives a shit about convicting on an indictment is motivated to present relevant facts, even if some of those facts could undermine the case. Getting an indictment that will be tossed on the first motion to dismiss that includes those "adverse" facts is not a "win," unless the prosecutor cares only for political "points" scored with the indictment, and cares about nothing else (i.e., can confidently count on getting a pardon when charged with malicious prosecution).
My speculation:
Maybe she got a "no-bill" from one grand jury and submitted a modified case to a new grand jury, got a "true bill" on two of the counts presented, and incompetently got all the paperwork fouled up.
Such resubmissions after a "no-bill" generally require new evidence and approval from the relevant U.S. Attorney's Office. Since she is that relevant office, all bets on needing reasonable grounds to resubmit are off.
It really helps to get feedback from knowledgeable posters who understand how the process works. I had no idea that you could present to more than one grand jury (with new evidence) for an indictment. Absent deliberate intention to deceive, I guess you have to conclude that the prosecutor screwed up. Personally, if it was me and this was the biggest test of my professional career, I would have taken every precaution to make sure that I didnt blow it. This administration continues to surprise with its incompetence.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,284 posts)We've been abandoned. And most don't know it.
Joinfortmill
(18,991 posts)struggle4progress
(124,641 posts)I thought we could confuse Your Honor with several different stories and then you'd get a headache and do whatever we asked"