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pat_k

(11,873 posts)
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:01 PM 6 hrs ago

Halligan off to a brilliant start on Comey indictment

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U.S. Magistrate Judge Lindsey Vaala expressed confusion and surprise at some points during the seven-minute court session...

"So this has never happened before. I've been handed two documents that are in the Mr. Comey case that are inconsistent with one another," Vaala said to Halligan. "There seems to be a discrepancy. They're both signed by the (grand jury) foreperson."

And she noted that one document did not clearly indicate what the grand jury had decided.

"The one that says it's a failure to concur in an indictment, it doesn't say with respect to one count," Vaala said. "It looks like they failed to concur across all three counts, so I'm a little confused as to why I was handed two things with the same case number that are inconsistent."

Halligan initially responded that she hadn't seen that version of the indictment.

"So I only reviewed the one with the two counts that our office redrafted when we found out about the two — two counts that were true billed, and I signed that one. I did not see the other one. I don't know where that came from," Halligan told the judge.

Vaala responded, "You didn't see it?" And Halligan again told her, "I did not see that one."

Vaala seemed surprised: "So your office didn't prepare the indictment that they —"

Halligan then replied, "No, no, no — I — no, I prepared three counts. I only signed the one — the two-count (indictment). I don't know which one with three counts you have in your hands."

"Okay. It has your signature on it," Vaala told Halligan, who responded, "Okay. Well."
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Okay. Well. Indeed. Ms. Halligan, you are so f-ing far out of your depth it is staggering. Perhaps go back to being an insurance lawyer. You certainly have absolutely NO business attempting to prosecute a shoplifter, much less a former FBI director.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-james-comey-indictment-confusion-trump/

And if you need a little detail on how baseless/incompetent/nonsensical the indictment is, there's a little background on it in this post::

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220678536#post1


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Halligan off to a brilliant start on Comey indictment (Original Post) pat_k 6 hrs ago OP
Holy Shit! malaise 6 hrs ago #1
Correction pat_k 5 hrs ago #4
Thanks malaise 5 hrs ago #12
Are they really making up their own charges? Baitball Blogger 6 hrs ago #2
When did the grand jury convene to bring these charges? This happened so quickly Deuxcents 5 hrs ago #5
Or are they using the results of a grand jury that concluded just the opposite of what they're doing? Baitball Blogger 5 hrs ago #7
These charges came within days of statute of limitations, got a grand jury together to charge 2 counts Deuxcents 5 hrs ago #8
The bogus case wouldn't.take long to present pat_k 5 hrs ago #10
I don't know. pat_k 5 hrs ago #9
Supposedly not about McCabe, about Richman Justice 2 hrs ago #28
I wonder if the grand jury "No billed" and they wrote up a "True bill" anyway. 3Hotdogs 3 hrs ago #21
MAGA incompetency might be the one thing that saves us from the voter incompetency that elected these dipshits. W_HAMILTON 5 hrs ago #3
Yes. And the level of incompetence is staggering. pat_k 5 hrs ago #6
Thanks malaise 5 hrs ago #11
Remember, she will be handling cases against real criminals too. Sneederbunk 4 hrs ago #13
Already, the entire 47 DOJ has lost all credibility with judges ... pat_k 3 hrs ago #18
As I said before, I smell a rat and the judge should moniss 4 hrs ago #14
My thoughts in this previous post: pat_k 2 hrs ago #27
Was it just a way to get the original charges Buddyzbuddy 4 hrs ago #15
My thought in this previous post: pat_k 2 hrs ago #26
I Don't Get It DET 4 hrs ago #16
That's how I read it too--but the story is confusing. Nt spooky3 3 hrs ago #23
I don't read fabrication into it pat_k 3 hrs ago #25
I don't read "fabrication" into it. pat_k 3 hrs ago #24
Thank You! DET 1 hr ago #29
So, this is the government we deserve? SleeplessinSoCal 4 hrs ago #17
Dumber than rocks. Joinfortmill 3 hrs ago #19
" I didn't know we had to tell Your Honor one single consistent story: struggle4progress 3 hrs ago #20
Looks as if lawyering was not her entry in the Miss Colorado talent competition. Nt spooky3 3 hrs ago #22

Baitball Blogger

(50,968 posts)
2. Are they really making up their own charges?
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:04 PM
6 hrs ago

They can't even tie it into the grand juries' findings?

Baitball Blogger

(50,968 posts)
7. Or are they using the results of a grand jury that concluded just the opposite of what they're doing?
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:28 PM
5 hrs ago

Deuxcents

(24,164 posts)
8. These charges came within days of statute of limitations, got a grand jury together to charge 2 counts
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:35 PM
5 hrs ago

All within a week? A rush job that can’t get out of the gate and headed up by an inexperienced person who doesn’t or can’t decline the offer to bring the case in the first place because of pride or loyalty.
O, boy! This is gonna be interesting 🤨

pat_k

(11,873 posts)
10. The bogus case wouldn't.take long to present
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:49 PM
5 hrs ago

Probably pulled together from what some FOX News shill was accusing Comey of back in 2020.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220680187#post9

pat_k

(11,873 posts)
9. I don't know.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:44 PM
5 hrs ago

There was reporting that the indictment was coming early in the week, so there must have been leaks that Halligan was presenting to a grand jury.

Back in 2020, they were obsessed with discrediting Comey. The ONLY "smoking gun" they could come up with then was the notion that Comey "authorized" McCabe's leak of the status of the investigation into the Clinton Foundation in 2017.

In response to Sen. Ted Fucking Cruz (to use his full name), Mr. Comey stated simply, and by all subsequent investigation, truthfully, that he had never authorized a leak of information.

It was a pretty simple set of facts to present, so wouldn't take long, particularly because what Halligan presented undoubtedly excluded the fact the accusations had already been investigated and dispensed with, or the fact that her predecessor was fired for refusing to pursue an indictment because there was no "there" there.

AI summary:

Leak source and subject: In 2017, it became publicly known that then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe had authorized a leak to a Wall Street Journal reporter in late 2016 regarding the status of the investigation. McCabe was subsequently accused of lying to the DOJ inspector general about authorizing this leak, which eventually contributed to his dismissal from the FBI in 2018.

Inspector general's conclusion: A later investigation by the DOJ inspector general found that while McCabe had shared information, FBI rules allowed the deputy director to speak with the media without authorization. The report also concluded that former FBI Director James Comey had not authorized the leak.


3Hotdogs

(14,589 posts)
21. I wonder if the grand jury "No billed" and they wrote up a "True bill" anyway.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 11:37 PM
3 hrs ago

Would that surprise anyone?

W_HAMILTON

(9,559 posts)
3. MAGA incompetency might be the one thing that saves us from the voter incompetency that elected these dipshits.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:10 PM
5 hrs ago

pat_k

(11,873 posts)
6. Yes. And the level of incompetence is staggering.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 09:23 PM
5 hrs ago

We need to stop with talking about the regime like it is this all powerful juggernaut.

47 and the minions in his regime are weak, cack-handed bunglers who are sowing chaos and misery. They are incapable of solving anything more complex than a wordle puzzle.

And 47 has never built anything that benefited anyone but himself or one of the other bullies on his "playground" that he plays sniveling sidekick to.

pat_k

(11,873 posts)
18. Already, the entire 47 DOJ has lost all credibility with judges ...
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 11:24 PM
3 hrs ago

At least the vast majority of judges in courts at every level, with the tragic and intolerable exception of the six black-robed traitors on SCOTUS.

moniss

(8,124 posts)
14. As I said before, I smell a rat and the judge should
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 10:20 PM
4 hrs ago

call the jury foreperson in and question them about what all went on.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,549 posts)
15. Was it just a way to get the original charges
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 10:20 PM
4 hrs ago

that they couldn't get an indictment on, into the record to muddy the waters? Or is she just that dumb and careless?
One is cunning, and the other is clueless. Personally, I hope for one, but be prepared for the other.

DET

(2,230 posts)
16. I Don't Get It
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 10:48 PM
4 hrs ago

Does this mean that the judge has a document that implies that the jury did not indict on ANY of the counts, and a conflicting document that says that they agreed to indict on two counts? Are they on the same date and time? How is this possible? Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but this would seem to imply that Halligan fabricated one of these documents, presumably the one that shows two indictments by the grand jury. If so, that would have huge repercussions. Damn, this gets confusing.

pat_k

(11,873 posts)
25. I don't read fabrication into it
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 12:05 AM
3 hrs ago

More on that here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220680187#post24

I know people like her would probably be happy to fabricate if they thought they could get away with it, but she is so inexperienced she'd just be too clueless about chances of being caught.

pat_k

(11,873 posts)
24. I don't read "fabrication" into it.
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 11:56 PM
3 hrs ago

I'm guessing that she did manage to get 14 of 23 to vote a "true bill" on two of the counts presented, particularly since I have little doubt she excluded the fact the accusations had already been investigated and dispensed with, or the fact that her predecessor was fired for refusing to pursue an indictment because there was no "there" there.

Grand juries are prosecutors instruments. While they can be highly selective in what to present (they are only required to present exculpatory evidence in certain jurisdictions) any prosecutor who gives a shit about convicting on an indictment is motivated to present relevant facts, even if some of those facts could undermine the case. Getting an indictment that will be tossed on the first motion to dismiss that includes those "adverse" facts is not a "win," unless the prosecutor cares only for political "points" scored with the indictment, and cares about nothing else (i.e., can confidently count on getting a pardon when charged with malicious prosecution).

My speculation:
Maybe she got a "no-bill" from one grand jury and submitted a modified case to a new grand jury, got a "true bill" on two of the counts presented, and incompetently got all the paperwork fouled up.

Such resubmissions after a "no-bill" generally require new evidence and approval from the relevant U.S. Attorney's Office. Since she is that relevant office, all bets on needing reasonable grounds to resubmit are off.

DET

(2,230 posts)
29. Thank You!
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 01:49 AM
1 hr ago

It really helps to get feedback from knowledgeable posters who understand how the process works. I had no idea that you could present to more than one grand jury (with ‘new evidence’) for an indictment. Absent deliberate intention to deceive, I guess you have to conclude that the prosecutor screwed up. Personally, if it was me and this was the biggest test of my professional career, I would have taken every precaution to make sure that I didn’t blow it. This administration continues to surprise with its incompetence.

struggle4progress

(124,641 posts)
20. " I didn't know we had to tell Your Honor one single consistent story:
Sat Sep 27, 2025, 11:32 PM
3 hrs ago

I thought we could confuse Your Honor with several different stories and then you'd get a headache and do whatever we asked"

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