Was he just picked up?
Does there seem to be some problem with his papers?

…that he’s a US citizen. The Guardian article has added a comment.

I have read several different articles and there is some conflicting info out there.

his parentage or their status, he is an American citizen.

The man is 47 years old with a Doctorate. He has an Anglo name. If he was born in Guyana, I find it hard to believe that he has never become a naturalized citizen. I will wait for details, but it is entirely likely that this is just ICE hassling a prominent black man because that is what they were hired to do.

I've just not seen anything that says he was born in Brooklyn. He may have been, and they may well have the wrong man - wouldn't be the first time.

Thank you!

I did see that he has an attorney now, so I guess we'll see what happens.

If they truly have a deportation order for him, he's got other issues; the Iowa state board said today that he said on his superintendent application that he's a U.S. citizen...but they don't issue a deportation order until they revoke naturalization, which is very difficult to do.

Des Moines schools has a lot of explaining to do

...which I get, and the vetting company is saying they don't look into immigration status.

I would think that makes him a Guyanan citizen. Unless born in American and then adding dual citizenship for Guyana to compete. If that's a thing.
It seems more likely he is one of many who have found the path to citizenship in the US not so easy and in the meantime was living his life.

I follow international Figure Skating pretty closely, and the Winter Olympics. I know that Russian athletes are getting around sanctions against Russia by skating for other countries.

having to get citizenship in Georgia (the country) to skate with a male Georgian ice dancer. i'm sure she also kept her US citizenship. Countries will go out of their way with citizenship if it gives them an edge in the Olympics. i don't know if those Russians skaters are having to get citizenship or what the Olympic rules are. But it was required for this one skater I know.

...even if he later naturalized, so it would have zero issue for him to compete for Guyana.

saying he was born in Brooklyn

But according to him, he was born in Guyana.

He's Guyanese. Maybe he omitted to mention a traffic ticket on his Green Card application.

They're picking up anyone they can for any reason possible.

…he has an outstanding weapons charge and a final deportation order.

Again, this is IF they have the right person.

So many of the stories that get national attention are of people that would have got deported under Biden or Obama as well.

The one that comes to mind in the British singer who overstayed her Visa by 20 years and thought she could travel into Canada on an expired passport. When she was denied entry she was picked up by Customs re-entering the US. She should have known not to leave. https://www.newsweek.com/ice-detains-singer-jane-eugene-2103667

If they have the right Ian Roberts, then yeah, he's absolutely fucked.

And if the 2020 weapons charge is validated, then I would say that the Des Moines school board is going to be under some scrutiny as well.

ICE claims, no idea if true, that he was arrested on a weapons violation 2020.

When people say gun charges it sounds like he's a criminal. He's a hunter. It wasn't a handgun or a semiautomatic
It was a rifle. It was careless if he hadn't done what it takes to make it legal. But he's not a criminal.
This is just an excuse.

...no idea if it's true or not, that there is an outstanding gun charge from 2020 (not the 2022 hunting rifle thing).

and maybe if it's not true. I'm not trusting anything out of DHS or ICE these days. I wonder if a reliable source will weigh in.

...as public info (such as the linked article in the OP) doesn't match the ICE info regarding his age.

Hey old timer!

…and that’s a big if, ICE says he has a final deportation order from 2024, and an outstanding weapons charge.

I’ll see if I can find the link I was reading an hour or so ago.

That just reeks of made up bullshit !

And an outstanding weapons charge. And illegally possessing a firearm in a county vehicle.

I worked in the school system. finger printing and background check required.

I volunteer in my ggrandson class and had to get finger printed, background check and tb test.

He may well have naturalization papers that he showed them in 2023, but then the question becomes how did a deportation order get issued in 2024?

I read about some factory or something in Omaha a couple of months ago where they arrested a bunch of people. They all had filled out I-9s, but the docs they provided were fraudulent.

It’s a mess that is going to have to be sorted out for sure.

...who can provide his naturalization papers, then he can sue the hell out of ICE.

deport them.

Sounds like more made up bullshit !

that’s about half the men in a lot of red states.


And I would like to say how classy it is that no one in this thread said, "Who does ICE think they are, the fashion police?"

anyone can open or conceal carry a firearm, unless they are legally prohibited from having one.

Anyone can carry cash as well, last I checked, that was legal.

Old Kim is angry that he won't let people who are masked and refuse to show ID grab children from public schools and take them to places where they will never be heard from again.

…he can’t have a firearm. And I would assume that firearms aren’t permitted in school-owned vehicles, but could be wrong.

that country

and the kids in the Iowa Elementary School.

What can be Done about these ICE Ethic Cleansers?

Mahalo, she.

At this point — why would you believe the first version of anything they say? They have a quota of 3,000 bodies a day, regardless.

They stake out government buildings where people are coming for routine status checks. They throw people to the ground and claim the person resisted arrest. It takes 6 heavily armed “agents” to throw down and pile on anyone they suspect of even giving them the side-eye. Old men, old women, women with children in their arms, Army veterans, US citizens — the world is just full of mortal danger to these “heroes” from brown and black human beings.

My US Senator is neither old nor small, but he is brown — and sure enough, he was piled on, thrown to the floor, and handcuffed by somewhere between 4 and 6 “agents” inside a federal building where he had legit business, because he stopped to ask Kristi Noeme a question at a press conference.

ICE has zero credibility in my opinion.

That was Padilla, correct? SMDH.

You are right, I don't believe anything Ice, Noem or this Admin says.

Unfugging believable...or at least it used to be. Not so much anymore.

...but if he isn't able to provide naturalization papers, he's cooked.

ICE lies about everything, and they are sick, twisted bastards.

They may well be lying, I'm not there, so I have no way of knowing.

But it appears that he wasn't born in the United States, but could well be naturalized, in which case he needs to provide that paperwork and then sue the government.

But if he doesn't have those papers, then they can deport him. IF there is already a deportation order for him, it will most likely be quick. If they're lying about the existing deportation order, then he needs a good immigration lawyer to ensure that he has due process.

He knows where all his papers are — including Vietnam era military service — but if he were snatched up, I am actually not sure I do. And since I’ve never had to look for an immigration lawyer, I wouldn’t know a good one from a mediocre or a dishonest one. And we both have college degrees and a full command of the English language.

This is all in the category of outrageously illegal crap that ICE is doing, and you know it. Guilty until proven innocent — and the burden of proof is on the accused, not the accuser. Thousands of arrestees have been disappeared, and when they do surface, it’s in another state hundreds of miles from their families. ICE is in the wrong every step of the way.

He's very well educated, as well as liked and respected by the community - good lawyers are no doubt lining up to take his case.

And while I find many of the tactics that ICE is using abhorrent, it's not "outrageously illegal" for them to enforce immigration laws.

There is no presumption of innocence in immigration courts, so yes, the burden of proof that someone is here legally is on that person.

IF (big if) there is indeed an existing deportation order, then ICE will have to provide it to Guyana, if that's where they plan to send him, or to a third country, if Guyana won't accept him. They will also have to provide it to his attorney.

A spokesman for the school board said the provided an I-9 and documentation, and that they did a thorough background check. If that's the case, and if his documents were valid, then it seems that ICE has royally screwed up, and he's most likely looking at a huge payout.

Like it’s just no biggy, what's happening all over the country. You can’t put yourself in the shoes of all the innocents who have been disappeared? If you really can’t draw back from the characteristic smear that’s happening to this one Black man, and see how bad the entirety of destructiveness is to the US, we probably need to take a break from this conversation.

Look at the whole picture. ICE is an organization created for terrorizing us all. When Gov. Newsom gave that great interview w/ Steven Colbert, he said ICE is now 30,000 strong, and amounts to the largest private army on the planet.

(Newsom covers a range of topics, and it’s only 15 minutes of your time.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/132289725 )

But it’s simply a fact that if he is here illegally, and if he has a final deportation order, then no law is being broken by detaining him.

that defines ICE: ICE is the opposite of Justice. I do not believe that all the captured individuals are being allowed due process. IOW, they are filling quotas for Steve Miller. Disappearing as many as they can. Doesn't matter if they aren't a criminal. It appears to me they are deporting all immigrants. Period.

This whole Ice thing is driving me out of my mind.

Fair treatment. Actual justice. The ICE thugs — masked, warrantless, no ID, windowless vans, heavily armed out of all proportion to a civilian situation — every part of them and their behavior is un-American. We are all going to pay a heavy price for thisepisode of our history.

After what’s happened in my own state and county and town, I want ICE disbanded and prosecuted in a court of law. They’re “following orders” sure they are.

I'm sure it's happening where I am, but I don't keep up with local news. And I don't get out. I'm an old curmudgeon. Guess I need to re-subscribe to my local newspaper/watch some local TV. So sorry that you are right in the middle of an area where they are going wild. It's legal kidnapping, for God's sake! They are killing America. The land of descendents of immigrants.

21st century version.

And by "remember" I mean establish some hard cultural taboos against being unkind to neighbors and visitors.

And the various news articles about it?

all nabbed detainee names & addresses in the newspaper of the County Seat in which
they took them from. Easy-peasy. Poof. A list!
They are disappearing people for Christ's sake. I totally agree with you, quakerboy!

being kidnapped, I think we would benefit from an organized, easy to access record.

ICE has no interest in documenting and exposing their own crimes, and were never held into account under any administration.

Its on we the people to document, remember, and hopefully someday when we regain a democracy pursue justice.

Maybe the public could report missing/nabbed individuals to the County Courthouse.
Or show up at the police depts to file a Missing Persons document.
Something needs to be done pronto, that's all I know.

MAGAt ICE will be abolished for sure.

all those old quaint notions were just made to be eliminated.

In the following systems, New York City, Baltimore, Washington, DC, St. Louis, Oakland,and Erie, Pennsylvania, was never flagged during his background checks? I mean really now, every state requires a federal or state(or both) background check, paperwork(such as birth certificate) and fingerprinting, even for the most minor of positions. Yet in eight different school systems he was never flagged?

This is either a case of mistaken identity or some seriously nefarious bullshit is going on.

Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration.Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration.Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration. Fuck this administration.

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Visa law works worldwide. Don't overstay your visa and don't work if you are not authorized to.

edit: Also, don't get caught carrying a gun when you're already up on gun related charges.

Across different articles/artifacts, there are discrepancies in his age, with ages ranging from 47 years old to 54 years old. You'd think that someone could come up with a single year of birth.