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A stunning scientific accomplishment brings both great promise and great risk.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/25/artificial-intelligence-advance-virus-created/
https://archive.ph/i2bSJ

Were nowhere near ready for a world in which artificial intelligence can create a working virus, but we need to be because thats the world were now living in.
In a remarkable paper released this month, scientists at Stanford University showed that computers can design new viruses that can then be created in the lab. How is that possible? Think of ChatGPT, which learned to write by studying patterns in English. The Stanford team used the same idea on the fundamental building block of life, training genomic language models on the DNA of bacteriophages viruses that infect bacteria but not humans to see whether a computer could learn their genetic grammar well enough to write something new.
Turns out it could. The AI created novel viral genomes, which the researchers then built and tested on a harmless strain of E. coli. Many of them worked. Some were even stronger than their natural counterparts, and several succeeded in killing bacteria that had evolved resistance to natural bacteriophages.
The scientists proceeded with appropriate caution. They limited their work to viruses that cant infect humans and ran experiments under strict safety rules. But the essential fact is hard to ignore: Computers can now invent viable even potent viruses.
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Swede
(37,434 posts)Just add it to the dozens that are already out there. The Fermi Paradox is getting understandable.
FalloutShelter
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haele
(14,659 posts)Those realities don't just affect the people creating them...
"Oops, did I do that?" Is on the headstone of every rich man who also thought he was a Great Man.
Playing or speaking for God is the greatest Blasphemy.
highplainsdem
(58,389 posts)All too many of the people behind AI are both foolish and reckless, motivated by greed and/or delusions, especially the delusion that if they develop superintelligent AI first, then that godlike AI will out of gratitude help the humans who developed it become immortal and godlike as well. And with that goal in mind, they don't care how much harm AI causes in the meantime.
Idiots.
Scrivener7
(57,336 posts)harumph
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Captain Zero
(8,454 posts)nt
OldBaldy1701E
(9,162 posts)GODS, how many times are we going to read this and say, "Yeah, that will work out just fine."
Let's show the machines how to kill us and hope they don't decide that we deserve to be killed.
Nice.
Orrex
(66,108 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(9,162 posts)Cheezoholic
(3,335 posts)Creation of bad viruses or creation beneficial bacteria or even a virus that can specifically target things like cancer cells. Yes it may seem like fantasy but it's coming and fast. As the article states, we're not ready. But then again, in our current state, we're not ready for an already naturally occurring novel virus that is most certainly lurking in areas where humans haven't frequented but could be released as we encroach into these ancient biological ecosystems. Yin Yang certainly applies here.
highplainsdem
(58,389 posts)a 2-way street when it dumbs down users, damages the environment and increases wealth and power inequality. It has very few pluses, nowhere near enough to balance the minuses, and even those pushing AI admit it might destroy humanity.
Cheezoholic
(3,335 posts)I can remember artists and record companies, radio screaming that they offered a way to "steal" artists and companies "intellectual" property by enabling people to just buy one album and record 10 copies for their friends. Being able to make mix tapes on top of recording songs directly from radio allowed them to just turn off radio, and the obligatory commercials, and listen to multiple artists in one sitting in a very convenient and often "free" way. You could argue that just having a buddy record an album for you so you wouldn't have to go to the record store and thereby being bypassed the exposure to new and different artists and music could be a form of dumbing people down by limiting their exposure to new things. After all, that's pre-emptively what learning is at it's core.
This is a very crude comparison I admit but my point is every tool that man has invented is a 2 sided sword. I am by no means a fan of AI being used in ANY nefarious manner. I am also one that believes AI is NOWHERE near a thinking machine thats going to become aware and snuff us out.... yet. If anything, like the atomic bomb and the insane things we were going to do with it when we first built them (i.e. putting reactors in airplanes, blasting mines open with them etc.....), we hopefully will learn our lesson (usually the hard way) with AI and corral it, more importantly its nefarious uses, before it can do too much harm. The harm that AI has the potential to do to us is from the people wielding it. The great good and advancement that it has is from the people wielding it. It's not from AI itself. I like baseball unless someone uses a bat to beat someone else.
Every example above one can point to incredible GOOD things that came out of those tools, from PC's (Cassette tapes brought the home PC into being as the original hard drive), the myriad of medical and other very helpful things that came from a massively destructive device like the bomb. Once again crude examples but I think they get across my thought process here.
I think of it like the beginning of 2001 A Space Odyssey, when the first primitive human picked up a bone and smashed another one.
WE are the problem, or the solution, not the TOOL.
Respectfully
Eko
(9,701 posts)I'm on my third antibiotic in just over a year because the Lyme disease that I have has become resistant to them. Last time at the doctor I asked how many more antibiotics there were for us to use before it is resistant to them all and he said he would look it up for me. This part was pertinent to what I am talking about "and several succeeded in killing bacteria that had evolved resistance to natural bacteriophages." I hate most AI. I hate AI pics, videos, music, books, but the part that creates something that kills bacteria that has evolved resistance, that part I don't. I agree it is a 2 way street and it is being used for worthless, stupid and bad things and we should stop doing that. But for medicine? I think it is good.
paleotn
(20,947 posts)As valid a solution to the Fermi Paradox as any.
Cheezoholic
(3,335 posts)I'd even say 99% of the time it's the solution (I'm no scientist obviously lol). Just from looking at ourselves I'd say thats the biggest reason there aren't rockets flying around every solar system with a Goldilocks planet. Its very hard for intelligence to progress beyond a certain technological level. I buy that 100%
paleotn
(20,947 posts)Then tell it what you want and viola! It's all a matter of computing power. Ginormous server farms. And the waste of ginormous amounts of electricity. And this is the tip of the nefarious iceberg.
Time for a Butlerian Jihad? Maybe. As Barney Fife use to say....nip it. Nip it in the bud.
Celerity
(52,179 posts)paleotn
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aggiesal
(10,347 posts)There should be a law.that when these AI generated viruses are created they need create a vaccine along with it.
This is like going to war without an exit plan, more deaths without a way to stop it
Renew Deal
(84,513 posts)From the TV show The Peripheral. It's really too bad it didn't get a second season
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)I guess I'll have to go out and get the books. I thought the first season was pretty spectacular.
Celerity
(52,179 posts)https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/the-peripheral-canceled-amazon-season-2-renewal-1235700019/
cstanleytech
(27,954 posts)KS Toronado
(21,401 posts)Since dumpie & Muskrat like to kill cancer research funds, how much of that money now sits in
their pockets?
orangecrush
(26,873 posts)CaptainTruth
(7,904 posts)patphil
(8,317 posts)Someone will give AI the task of doing just that.
Welcome to Raccoon City.
berniesandersmittens
(12,663 posts)Since virus' were considered to neither be "dead" or "alive" at that time, I questioned if future nanotechnology advances could be used to edit and/or manufacture prions and proteins, creating a new virus.
I'll have to dig it back out. My professor told me it was a dark outlook on future technology, but could he not refute the possibility of such technology being produced. Of course, AI wasn't even in our vocabulary at the time. (At least not in my field of study)
This was 20 years ago. I've always believed that public knowledge of technology will come too late if it is used nefariously on the masses.
Yeah, I know. I've always had a paranoid streak.
Hekate
(99,621 posts)Martin68
(26,528 posts)LymphocyteLover
(8,818 posts)multigraincracker
(36,362 posts)So it is happening here and now. So it is happening in infinite places and in infinite time before and after now. So, no need to worry.
IA8IT
(6,274 posts)They aren't talking about a computer virus.