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Miles Archer

(20,318 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 09:45 AM Sep 20

Womp, womp...why Trump's goons probably can't file a Federal case over Saint Chucky's killer. SAD! UNFAIR! WOKE!

'No evidence' found yet of ties between Charlie Kirk's shooting and left-wing groups, officials say
Three people familiar with the federal probe into Kirk’s assassination told NBC News that investigators have yet to find a link between the alleged shooter and left-wing groups.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/no-evidence-charlie-kirk-shooting-left-wing-groups-rcna232513

One person familiar with the federal investigation said that “thus far, there is no evidence connecting the suspect with any left-wing groups.”

“Every indication so far is that this was one guy who did one really bad thing because he found Kirk’s ideology personally offensive,” this person continued.

In addition, two of the people familiar with the probe said it may be difficult to charge Robinson at the federal level for Kirk’s killing, while the third source said there is still an expectation that some kind of federal charge is filed against Robinson.

Factors that have complicated the effort to bring charges at the federal level include that Robinson, a Utah resident, did not travel from out of state; Kirk was shot during an open campus debate at Utah Valley University. Additionally, Kirk himself is not a federal officer or elected official.

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Womp, womp...why Trump's goons probably can't file a Federal case over Saint Chucky's killer. SAD! UNFAIR! WOKE! (Original Post) Miles Archer Sep 20 OP
Then Trump will throw a hissy fit and fire them until he gets someone who will make up a link newdeal2 Sep 20 #1
The federal charges against Vance Boelter, the killer of Melissa Hortman, Ocelot II Sep 20 #7
Tyler "Maga" Robinson was spawn of the GOP. In his mind, he was making America great again by ridding it of Kirk. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sep 20 #2
I think it is more complicated than the right wants it to be karynnj Sep 20 #5
I agree - whatever "leftist" opinions he might hold are probably related to Ocelot II Sep 20 #12
Good assessment. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sep 20 #20
Utah will be much harsher on Robinson than the feds. LeftInTX Sep 20 #3
There wouldn't be much difference in the outcome - both jurisdictions have the death penalty. Ocelot II Sep 20 #9
Kirk wasn't elected to anything, which is why it shouldn't be called an assassination -- it was just another gun death. eppur_se_muova Sep 20 #4
The term isn't limited to killings of elected officials. Ocelot II Sep 20 #6
Too bad it didn't specify a person of prominent merit. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 21 #22
Doesn't seem like... GiqueCee Sep 20 #8
Yes indeed and although there should be moniss Sep 20 #13
word... nt GiqueCee Sep 20 #19
Utah has the death penalty so it shouldn't matter to trump. BUT.... Callie1979 Sep 20 #10
They know there aren't any left wing groups Ohioboy Sep 20 #11
It exonerates Repukes of all blame, whenever they can point fingers at some fictional villain FakeNoose Sep 20 #14
Kirk might not be a federal officer or elected official, but I understand shooting a saint is a federal offense. sop Sep 20 #15
Unless one is shot by a Latter Day Saint? pfitz59 Sep 20 #18
That's why the FBI has been harassing the Discord users who just happened to be on at the same time Wiz Imp Sep 20 #16
If they can involve other people on some internet forum, that would be the claimed federal nexus Ocelot II Sep 20 #17
Could be assin just a good old right wing Utah home republianmushroom Sep 20 #21

Ocelot II

(127,439 posts)
7. The federal charges against Vance Boelter, the killer of Melissa Hortman,
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:50 AM
Sep 20

involved planning and stalking with the intent to kill or injure, through the use of interstate instrumentalities (mail and the Internet), and using a firearm in furtherance of a federal crime (stalking). https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25999169-indictment/. (The state has indicted him on murder charges as well, just in case he's declared a MAGA hero someday and Trump wants to pardon him. Doubtful but you never know.). So far there doesn't seem to be any similar evidence that Robinson used the internet to plan the crime or stalk Kirk, but in any event federal prosecution wouldn't make a difference in the outcome because Utah, unlike MN, has the death penalty.

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,165 posts)
2. Tyler "Maga" Robinson was spawn of the GOP. In his mind, he was making America great again by ridding it of Kirk.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 09:55 AM
Sep 20

If the Feds want to make this a Federal case, maybe they should file charges against the Republican Party, including Trump.

karynnj

(60,569 posts)
5. I think it is more complicated than the right wants it to be
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:36 AM
Sep 20

At least from what has been reported, he was from a Right wing, Mormon, gun loving family. I don't know how he identifies his sexual orientation, but his romantic relationship is at odds with how he was brought up.

I can't imagine being a preteen/teen realizing that being who you are means rejecting at least some of what you grew up believing and knowing your family could not really accept you for who you are. Adolescence is a tough time for many, but it has to be harder to not fit in the rigid culture he was born in.

The Utah Governor and some in his family, spoke of his leftish ideology. Yet, this is someone who did not vote. He clearly still supported gun rights. I wonder if the ONLY "leftish" value was LBGTQ+. and that was because of where he was.

Ocelot II

(127,439 posts)
12. I agree - whatever "leftist" opinions he might hold are probably related to
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:33 AM
Sep 20

gay and trans people, and only because of the relationship he seems to have had. There are, in fact, Republican or right-wing LGBTQ people (e.g., Caitlin Jenner). Years ago I knew a gay man who was very conservative, loved Reagan, expressed racist attitudes and didn't even like most other gay people. Being, or being an advocate for LGBTQ doesn't guarantee liberal opinions as to other matters. So far they have failed to connect Robinson to any left-wing or liberal organizations, or identify any other liberal opinions he might have expressed.

Ocelot II

(127,439 posts)
9. There wouldn't be much difference in the outcome - both jurisdictions have the death penalty.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:23 AM
Sep 20

But I do think Patel and Bondi would like to take credit for prosecuting him, so if they can find a basis for federal jurisdiction they'll go for it. But unlike Vance Boelter, Robinson doesn't seem to have availed himself of a federal instrumentality in planning and carrying out the killing.

eppur_se_muova

(40,117 posts)
4. Kirk wasn't elected to anything, which is why it shouldn't be called an assassination -- it was just another gun death.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:12 AM
Sep 20

And heck, we have plenty of those all the time. No biggie.

Ocelot II

(127,439 posts)
6. The term isn't limited to killings of elected officials.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:36 AM
Sep 20

The dictionary definition is "the premeditated act of killing someone suddenly or secretively, especially a prominent person." https://www.dictionary.com/browse/assassination

GiqueCee

(2,854 posts)
8. Doesn't seem like...
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:21 AM
Sep 20

... there's been much, if any, follow-up on obvious links to Nick Fuentes' Groyper cult. Why? The Groyper bunch hated Kirk, and many of Robinson's statements and predilections appear to align with those of Fuentes' followers.
The absence of even a mention of the Fuentes/Kirk feud is curious in itself.

moniss

(8,124 posts)
13. Yes indeed and although there should be
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:40 AM
Sep 20

a full investigation the fascists have their desired narrative about this and they will stick to it. As I have said there are no public statements from either Robinson or the roommate and so the "narrative", including these questionable texts, are only what the fascists say it is. I don't believe them for one moment without hearing from those two themselves regarding the texts and even then we don't know how much coercion and intimidation to stick to a "desired narrative" may be happening.

Callie1979

(936 posts)
10. Utah has the death penalty so it shouldn't matter to trump. BUT....
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:30 AM
Sep 20

EVERYTHING has to be about HIM so he'll be pissed if he's not involved

Ohioboy

(3,792 posts)
11. They know there aren't any left wing groups
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:30 AM
Sep 20

They just want the idea there are. Kind of like Trump telling Zelensky "just say you're opening an investigation against Biden".
It's all right-wing bullshit.

FakeNoose

(38,767 posts)
14. It exonerates Repukes of all blame, whenever they can point fingers at some fictional villain
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:42 AM
Sep 20

sop

(16,203 posts)
15. Kirk might not be a federal officer or elected official, but I understand shooting a saint is a federal offense.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 11:55 AM
Sep 20

Wiz Imp

(7,519 posts)
16. That's why the FBI has been harassing the Discord users who just happened to be on at the same time
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:05 PM
Sep 20

Robinson supposedly sent messages to the "roommate". They're desperate to tie someone else to the shooting as an accomplice or whatever.

https://katv.com/news/nation-world/fbi-will-question-20-people-involved-in-discord-chat-allegedly-tied-to-tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-utah-county-jeffrey-gray-prosecutors-kash-patel-hearing

WASHINGTON (TNND) — During testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, FBI Director Kash Patel confirmed reporting by The Washington Post that Tyler Robinson, the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk, appeared to confess in an online Discord chat.

"Unfortunately, it has been leaked that there was a Discord chat – and for those unfamiliar, it’s a gaming chatroom online – that the suspect participated in. So what we’re doing and we’ve already done is serve legal process not just on Discord, so that the information we gathered is sustained and held in a evidentiary posture that we could use in prosecution should it be decided to do so. We’re also going to be investigating anyone and everyone involved in that Discord chat," Patel said.

Patel told the committee there were "a lot more" than 20 other users in the Discord chat and the FBI is "running them all down."

According to The Washington Post, on Thursday night, shortly before 22-year-old Robinson turned himself in to law enforcement, messages from his Discord account were sent in a chat with friends that said, "Hey guys, I have bad news for you all," and, "It was me at UVU yesterday. im sorry for all of this."

Ocelot II

(127,439 posts)
17. If they can involve other people on some internet forum, that would be the claimed federal nexus
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:17 PM
Sep 20

that would make federal prosecution possible (see #7) - using the internet (interstate commerce) to plot with coconspirators. So far it looks pretty thin, but even though the outcome would be the same - the death penalty regardless whether he's convicted by Utah or the feds - Patel and Bondi would surely love to claim his head for themselves.

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