And he probably didn't feel a thing.

Or is that too radical?

Charlie Kirk? Never heard of him. Was he an actor or something?

Got thrown out after trying to arson the family home. True story.

And Charlie DeGaulle. And Charlie (Bird) Parker. And Ensign Charlie Parker (McHale's Navy, currently running on youtube).
And, of course, Charlie Carson (Downton Abbey)

Arizona is an open carry state, so any protestors outside the stadium where the funeral will be held can defend themselves.

All these folks so want to avenge Charlie...but who? Big problem for hateful right wingers is finding the enemy.

...it'll be a gun-free zone.

Even those who don’t say anything negative but just use his own words are being fired or suspended. They want to legislate our rights and bend our will to their narrative.

We took a train to Leipzig from Ramstein AFB. The train stopped at the border and men with guns got on. I was 8 years old; my sister was 6. The guns scared me. Everyone was nice to us. The Red Cross waited at the border for us to return from our visit -- so if my mom got arrested, my sister and I would be returned to our father.

The part that scared me the most was how frequently my sister and I were warned about how to behave. We were not allowed to speak about the USA, the USAF, in English, or about money or anything about our belongings. The belongings thing was because the East Germans had nothing that we took for granted. Back then, packages could be sent, and our Christmas box to Oma and the few other relatives was full of necessities because of that.

All of the adults were worried about whether my mom would get arrested. So was I. It was my job (as I saw it) to protect my sister, so she wasn't worried about anything.

This Charlie thing reminds me of that. It is hard to fathom how someone I have never heard of is suddenly so important that our freedom of speech rights are being threatened. I didn't think that anyone was that important.

This situation has escalated so much over 8 months.

comes around.

and if one feels compelled to do so, it’s best to do so amongst close, like-minded friends and not on social media. There seemed to be an inordinant number of teachers, professor, and medical professional who didnt think through their prominence in communities of people in the meatier part of the political bell curve.

The vast majority of left reaction I saw on X and FB wasnt overboard. But, there was quite a bit that was beneath common decency.

While not a fan of CK, I dont like that he was killed mid-debate and that it was so public and gruesome. It was not a good thing, and I prefer it didnt happen.

There were too many ‘spiking the football’, and it reflected poorly on those of us on the left side of the bell curve. A lot of non-political people have been repulsed by the unrestrained glee. I can only imagine the political ads we’ll see of the dancing and laughing videos in 2026.

I cant imagine what we would see if something happened to Trump. The reaction to Kirk’s assassination wouldnt even register compared to what we would see then. I’m not sure our country could survive that fallout.

Anyway, just one old man’s opinion. Hopefully, this doesnt get me sent to another jury.

I have spent very little time on DU, relative to my engagement, say, 12 months ago. When I do read LBN, I keep seeing people fired for not liking Charlie. How 1st Amendment.

And I have yet to see any firing that violated the first amendment… which does not now nor has it ever meant “I say what I want when I want and there can be no consequences “

It was for saying things that some significant portion of the population find unacceptable.

As I hinted on another thread - you can “like” farm animals without any threat to your job or freedom. But while saying so in public can’t get you imprisoned in most cases… you aren’t likely to keep your job.

Yes - Trump is taking advantage of that fact to get things he wants - but the targets made it easy for him

But he's been a useful idiot to further the Trump State they are trying to create. And that criticism made it a "soft crime", because the Crime Boss is in charge now. Is that a real crime? Only if you are a media outlet worrying about your license.

If one believes in the 1st Amendment, then celebrating the death of someone whose only 'crime' was advocating that which we disagree with should be met with revulsion.

Unfortunately, we live in a time where actual 'debate' is passe. I've watched a number of his online gatherings since his passing, and I must say he was very good at what he did. Do I agree with anything he said? Of course not, but not the point. Unless we get to a place where an actual debate is considered to be the epitome of discourse, then we're going to continue to head in our current downward spiral. And my best guess is that this is where we're headed.

We have people being suspended or fired for quoting the vile shit Kirk said.

Losing him is no loss, and we're supposed to walk on eggshells, meanwhile Trump was trying to violently overthrow the government

people will just choose to check out. I had indulged some fantasy that we might nominate someone for president in 2028 who might right the ship but realistically I don't think one single man - no matter how intelligent or charismatic - can really do that.

They are left of center. They dont eat, sleep and drink politics and tune in only shortly before elections. They’re tolerant of those on the right of center, and may even have Republican friends. They can see Trump, Vance, Johnson, Bondi, etc on TV without having an aneurysym. They may even think we have immigration and crime problems. But, they are Democrats. They care about the poor, believe in social security, worry about health care, and know the rich dont pay enough in taxes. But, they dont live on X, donate to ActBlue, volunteer to work phone banks, or use their time off work going to protests. They are even-keeled, rarely get worked up, and dont make a lot of noise. But, they do vote.

And then there’s the very vocal minority. They live on a hair trigger, ready to organize in a jiffy, flooding Congressional phone lines, posting passionate videos on X, FB and BlueSky, and flying to DC to protest at the Mall or outside the Supreme Court. They are consumed with hate for Trump and reflexively take the opposite position of the Orange Man. They have no tolerance for anything less than total agreement with their stances on climate, COVID, LGBT, packing the Court, and the like. But, they are a loud lot. Easily louder than the larger, aforementioned less enganged Democratic cohort. Therefore, they have more power within the party than their size warrants.

We need voices from the larger, more representative group of Democrats, the ones more relateble and acceptable to the similar group just to the right of center. They need to put the louder and further left minority with their less appealing, political-losing ideas in their place. In other words, the Democratic Party needs to hold closer to the center rather than continuing to appease the progressive left by drifting the party their way.

There is a reason one has to “move left” to win the Democratic nomination and then ‘move to the center’ (to the right) to have any chance to win the General. How refreshing would it be to have a candidate that could win the nomination and run as the same person in the General and win!

I’ve seen Senator Fetterman interviewed a couple times lately. There’s no mistaking he’s a Democrat. But, I’ll damned if he doesnt come across as a well-reasoned and thoughtful man. And now that his brain is working right, he speaks very well. He gives the other side credit where he can while leaving no doubt he’s a Democrat. I think he is the type of person who could appeal across the aisle, and it’s going to take someone like that.

Maybe there are others like Fetterman out there. Jared Poli? Andy Beshears? Josh Shapiro? I just have concerns a Newscom, Pritzker, Ocasio-Cortez, or a Buttigieg can do it.

The lessons Republicans learned in manipulating elections in South and Central American in the 80s are coming home to roost here.

He was not a genuine person even if he was a good debater.
However, there is something about social media- at least IMO- that has made people absolute appalling in their behaviour towards others. Filming brutal treatment towards others, acting like massive assholes just for clicks, doing stupid shit for likes…you get the idea. My partner, a rather moderate guy in most respects, was appalled at a video of a mother gleefully bursting in to tell her two young kids that she had the best news ever: Trump died? Vance died? Musk died? they guessed. No, she squealed, Charlie Kirk was shot. Wtf is wrong with that picture? And why film it?

We live in a deeply sick society. Am I sad he’s dead? No. In fact I think nothing of him really. But I have enough sanity and self-worth not to blast my views all over the public sphere. It’s really not a good look. I don’t agree with shutting down people’s 1st Amendment Rights at all, but people need to use their fucking brains once in awhile.

And it’s a good exercise in consolidating their authoritarian regime by getting rid of a few more dissidents and troublemakers.

Cow the population with some fear tactics

Nothing.

There’s a reason Vance took over Charlie Kirk’s podcast and did the first show after the shooting.

I’m probably missing some of the rest of the goon squad that will take on any who dare besmirch his name.

Laura Loomer, MTG, Clay Higgins, Kash Patel etc

he will be missed by a LOT of RACISTS who seemed to like the disgusting things he said about black people and other non-whites...


Too bad.

I don't advocate or excuse political violence,
but according to The Bible, "you reap what you sow"

"Google AI Overview
In the Bible, the concept of "you reap what you sow" is found in Galatians 6 -9, stating that God cannot be mocked and a person will reap the consequences of their actions. This principle explains that actions have future outcomes, and those who pursue selfish desires (sow to their flesh) will reap destruction, while those who live according to the Spirit will reap eternal life. "


When TRUMP FINALLY reaps what he has sown,
it ought to come done like a TON of GODLY BRICKS....

Just a guess.

You?

Especially for those of us on a phone, tab switching glitches is a thing. Or someone writes something, rethinks it, and deletes.

No biggie, no need for drama or insinuation. It's just a message board.

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Shutting down their own Shadenfraude. Because they are ashamed that their own rhetoric on guns ....took out their biggest shitty defender of guns.....who called other people's gunshot deaths the price we must pay for Tyler Robinson's easy access to guns. And that it was worth it....even when it was 8yr old children in classrooms

Tyler Robinson was literally raised in their gun culture swamp...their own gun worshipping cost them one of their own....and they would not have cared this much if Tyler had of shot up a bunch of Utah State students instead

They dont care about Charlie ... they just want US to just shut up about that hypocrisy they are experiencing. They don't want to have their noses rubbed in their own shit.

Even with all that the government probably knows who you are.

Basically the same answer.

If your feelings are wildly out of sync with what society generally finds acceptable… then it’s best to keep them to yourself.

It can be as useless of a statement as "they" do all the time.

We’re North Korea now.

CK was not that special and I reserve no empathy. Hell, if I got my neck pierced by a bullet, he would have probably say I deserved it!

I'm part of the Ethical Culture movement. Mostly humanists and religious non-affiliated.

Our message is social justice, empathy, community service, public education, coalitions with like-minded groups, democracy, the Constitution, enlightenment.

No reason why all of us can't go out with this message and challenge the words and legacy of Charlie Kirk.

We’re talking about lowering the flag to half staff in honor of a guy who went lower than whaleshit to protect oligarchs and mass murderers.

In a general/personal sense. Who are we as a Country?