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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVance taking over really means
Peter Thiel will run the country.
As much as one would celebrate Trump leaving office, walking or wheeled out, a Thiel controlled Vance will not be any better.

Arkansas Granny
(32,142 posts)We could only hope that some MAGAts might open their eyes and ears and start seeing what is happening, if it's not already too late to stop it.
hlthe2b
(111,218 posts)And, his history of 180-degree turns in everything he "believes," and supposedly stands for, will be given a lot of "re-focus" should that happen. Trump could lie his way out of a straitjacket and head-to-toe chains. Vance? He will try, but...
Bev54
(12,806 posts)many in congress either. Whether he may get their support with threats, like Trump does (along with blackmail and bribes), that is a question. I would hope they and everyone else would just laugh in his face, he is just another ick.
MadameButterfly
(3,502 posts)would send death threats to anyone who defies Vance's demands or whether Republicans in Congress will reclaim their voices and start doing their jobs
Silent Type
(10,846 posts)Ohioboy
(3,771 posts)This is a cult, and Trump's their guy.
Trump can do dumb stuff and they don't care. Others can't get away with it. Look at the way they accept the all caps tweets from Trump, but when Newsom trolls Trump they think Newsom is being childish.
yellow dahlia
(2,846 posts)Once people (even the cultists) realize what Thiel and others are up to...
Nasruddin
(1,107 posts)I fear the chaos that might come should Vance replace the unnameable one in the middle of the term.
The ambitious and unprincipled (in both parties) have been held back for a long time, they will be free,
and it could be a free-for-all where Vance and Thiel are quickly overrun.
markodochartaigh
(3,826 posts)a lot of the Republican "never-Trumpers". These are not good things.
Wiz Imp
(6,881 posts)quakerboy
(14,517 posts)What percentage of voters do you suppose refused to vote for trump.. but will show up for vance?
Second... the loyalty is not to vance. The Only Trumpers are a big fraction of the republican party now.
I stand by my belief that trump will live long enough (no matter what miracles of science are needed) for the smarter Nazis to feel they have enough consolidated power to hold it without his cult, and then he will die shortly after (no matter what miracles of science are needed).
markodochartaigh
(3,826 posts)"never Trumpers" are maybe 5% of the Republican party. It isn't a lot. But every percentage point matters to fight the gerrymandering and disenfranchisement that the Republicans are ramping up in probably every red state.
quakerboy
(14,517 posts)For the 20% only trumpers dropping out any day
Ars Longa
(265 posts)ONLY Trumpers!!! There will be interesting Power Struggles in and
around MAGA post Trump.
CrispyQ
(40,195 posts)But we deal with the pile of shit in front of us & then worry about the next pile.💩
It's never ending.💩💩💩
I support this post
💩
niyad
(126,810 posts)the bright, shiny thing.
the bright, slimy thing.
Mz Pip
(28,220 posts)And Curtis Yarvin. Yarvin is one scary guy. His ideas about government are bizarre. Dark Enlightenment would turn this country into a hell hole run by tech bros who dont give a shit about anything.
TheFarseer
(9,645 posts)In that case, get ready for AI and private equity to get even more out of control if that is possible.
Wounded Bear
(62,883 posts)
Brainfodder
(7,737 posts)
johnnyfins
(2,787 posts)there are a whole lot of repubs that will be gunning for him in 28. They will eat him alive. He is NOT TSF. He will not have the control that TSF has over the GOP.
JanMichael
(25,719 posts)And Thiel and the other tech-nazis do a full Hitler/Pinochet take over.
stopdiggin
(14,340 posts)i.e., Trump dies or becomes debilitated
mountain grammy
(28,161 posts)Seinan Sensei
(1,130 posts)stopdiggin
(14,340 posts)But, in any event - the DOJ will still be in the hands of Trump loyalists - correct?
Jack Valentino
(3,166 posts)stopdiggin
(14,340 posts)Iggo
(49,147 posts)I think the 25th covers those last two or three.
peggysue2
(12,147 posts)With all their bizarre theories about governance and what the United States should and could be--their own personal piggybank and the celebration of privatization, AI and a unified North America for the elite.
The working class? Hahahaha.
The one good thing? Vance is supremely unpopular--no cult of personality available--and these 'geniuses' have no experience in actually running a government, let alone controlling nearly 350 million people. They are the elite MAGA rails against, hates and would love to obliterate. They are anti-democracy, pro-monarchy and would return to a construct of city states. They're proud of their pro-fascist roots and dream of a world run by corporations.
Feudalism here we come! Although in this case it's referred to as Techno-Feudalism.
Kings and serfs. Happy days!
travelingthrulife
(3,171 posts)powerful Lords rather than the powerless serfs. Doesn't work that way.
peggysue2
(12,147 posts)Because they see themselves as far above the rabble. That would be the rest of us.
This man who will now be running the CDC (no medical background or public health expertise whatsoever) helped Peter Thiel develop his idea of floating island states where the rich geniuses would live and frolic and pull strings from afar.
The whole thing is some dark dystopian fantasy they wish to inflict on the world.
I've seen the movie.
Blue Full Moon
(2,759 posts)stopdiggin
(14,340 posts)dlk
(12,906 posts)Vance will be much worse, if you can imagine. He will be able to get much more done, and not in a good way.
Kaleva
(39,846 posts)ProfessorGAC
(74,269 posts)I'd like to hear the answer to your question.
dlk
(12,906 posts)Vance functions at a much higher level than Trump. Do you disagree?
Kaleva
(39,846 posts)But neither Pence or Vance have the very large, fanatical bunch of followers that Trump has.
Vance is a brainless toady, but he won't be the relentless attention seeking child his boss is and won't purposefully light dozens of fires on the daily.
There would be what will be seen as a bit of a return to normalcy generally, but the Stephen Millers will continue to advance their agendas, their majorities in congress and the SC will back their plays.
Gore1FL
(22,589 posts)I expect infighting and inanity to be what's for dinner.
Kaleva
(39,846 posts)While Vance himself may not be any better then Trump, he will lack the ability to hold together the MAGAs
Iris
(16,602 posts)question everything
(50,909 posts)in their support, including among members of Congress.
stopdiggin
(14,340 posts)and it only took 23 posts!
EllieBC
(3,556 posts)You remember the movie, The Lost Boys? The head vampire had to die to make all the others go away.
What Im saying is Trump is a cult figurehead. Hes gone and all his stooges wont have the same power.
We will be back to dealing with the shitty and awful but predictable GOP.
paleotn
(20,846 posts)There can be only one personality. Might be a few hangers on here and there, exploiting the cult where they can, but they don't control the cult masses in any way, shape or form. The masses and the hangers on disperse in the vacuum formed by the leaders exit.
enigmania
(369 posts)in "1984" to a Robert Silverberg novel in the space of one infarction.
usonian
(20,127 posts)Repost of https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20543966
Note on "Saint" Peter Thiel: Palantir co-founder Peter Thiel to lead 4-part series on the Antichrist
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218328156
NEW!
Why Americas new crypto regime makes other countries nervous
The U.S. is potentially providing a powerful vehicle for tax evasion and other illegal activity worldwide.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/07/31/crypto-tax-evasion-worldwide/
https://archive.is/marck
It doesnt have to be this way. Dollar-backed stablecoins cryptocurrencies convertible one to one with dollars are potentially the most important application of blockchain technology to date. This special class of cryptocurrency, which at present accounts for less than 10 percent of the $4 trillion crypto market, was the focus of the bill that is already law. To be fair, the act incorporated many good ideas, such as requiring that stablecoins be (almost) fully backed by safe, highly liquid assets, including Treasury bills and federally insured bank deposits.
Critics have pointed to the risks that, despite the precautions, there will still be runs on some stablecoins and that fraud will be rampant, particularly among the smaller players. These are serious concerns. The biggest one, however, which has thus far received only fleeting attention, is that the new law does too little to make stablecoin transactions as easy to audit as debit and credit card transactions are. Once out the door, stablecoins are tokens on a blockchain just like bitcoin and can change hands almost as anonymously as paper currency.
Yes, in principle, everything on the blockchain is public information, but crypto wallets can be held pseudonymously; you dont have to reveal who you really are. On top of that, one can hold scores of wallets, and dollar stablecoin wallets can be issued outside the U.S. by unregulated entities, in addition to being traded abroad on lightly regulated exchanges. Sure, government sleuths can often find clues that help them figure out the true owner of a crypto wallet. They will certainly bear the necessary cost in the case of a major terrorism incident. This is hardly feasible on a routine basis, however. If crypto was that easy to trace, its appeal might collapse.
more at the link.
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Older Details here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016410516
(too long to copy)
This references:
The Trojan Horse Strategy: Institutional Bitcoin Accumulation as Network Capture
https://medium.com/@eddieoz/the-trojan-horse-strategy-institutional-bitcoin-accumulation-as-network-capture-fd906ff9b0b0
and
The Bitcoin Coup: How Crypto Accelerationists Engineered America's Financial Collapse
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220508380
In short, when the financial system collapses, the Crypto Troika run the country.
Any WHY do silicon valley snots feel that everyone else and every other institution is obsolete?
Because they are SUPERIOR.
Details:
The Musk/Silicon Valley (much of it) elitist vision.
Reboot' Revealed: Elon Musk's CEO-Dictator Playbook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220003654
Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk 'Hijacking' Republicans to Control Entire US Government
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220008207 These posts contain, or link to, important understanding of the twisted mentality of Elon and company.
Trump is toast. The Crypto Troika are taking over.
paleotn
(20,846 posts)They have no significant power outside of Trump. Without him, they'll be running for the exits, with a reconstituted DoJ in hot pursuit. It isn't going to be pleasant for them.
Cash in while they can, boys, for tomorrow they're back to hawking crypto crap on shitty google ads. The ones who escape jail time anyway.
misanthrope
(9,107 posts)Those leading it currently are there because they are willing to supplicate themselves to power. Vance would keep them in place for those same obsequious traits.
MLWR
(524 posts)that the "Rs" in congress will bend the knee constantly to someone as totally unpopular as Shady.
paleotn
(20,846 posts)He does not have the charisma of Trump. Really, he has no charisma at all. An empty suit. No more ability to lead a loyal cult following than DeSantis. Thiel hitched his wagon to the wrong horse. So much for his smarts. Or maybe it was the only horse available. The Repuke stable is full of nothing but old nags. Dems on the other hand. We've got some contenders.
Kid Berwyn
(21,907 posts)
You are spot-on regarding Thiel. The guy thinks he's THE NAZI for the 21st Century.
In the following, Ruth Ben-Ghiat shared what "Veteran Supporting Democracy" wrote:
Peter Thiel silently steps in.
Trumps move to have Elon Musk step aside wasnt a retreat. It was a distraction. With Musks name out of the headlines, many assumed the controversial Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) had quietly ended. It hasnt. Its just changed hands.
Enter Peter Thiel, the billionaire founder of Palantir and close ally of Musk. Thiel and his company are now central to Trumps newest plan: building a massive government-run database on every American.
Heres whats happening:
- Trump signed an executive order in March forcing government agencies to share data.
- Palantir, a company with deep ties to the far-right and known for building surveillance tools, has been tapped to lead the effort.
- DOGE has now been granted access to the U.S. Treasury Department.
- Palantir has already received over $113 million in government funds since Trump returned to office, and just secured a new $795 million contract with the Department of Defense. (Follow the money and see where it goes)
Palantirs software is already being used inside the Department of Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, and more. The company is now in talks with the IRS and Social Security Administration to expand further. This means personal data, from tax returns to medical records, could soon be compiled in one place, under one administration, with little oversight.
This push began under Musks leadership at DOGE. Now its Thiels turn. And make no mistake, this is about power. With a centralized, government-controlled data system, Trump gains new tools to target critics, intimidate dissenters, and go after immigrants.
They want you to think the threat is gone. But its growing, and its being handed to people who have no business controlling our lives.
Stay informed. Stay loud. This isnt over. Stop the billionaire takeover!
-- Alt Park Service
Good people at NPS. Truly good people. And they're not afraid of billionaires juggling power saws.
Katcat
(489 posts)Seeing as they absolutely hate gay people he might as well just go back to Germany and become dictator there.
Joinfortmill
(18,847 posts)usonian
(20,127 posts)
mercuryblues
(15,847 posts)in his Big Macs.
Let's buy him some more...
liberal N proud
(61,133 posts)I dont think he has the power of the threat.
SSJVegeta
(1,391 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2025, 09:21 PM - Edit history (1)
Not... yet anyways?
pat_k
(11,617 posts)They are all cut from extremist Christian Nationalism cloth with the addition of a level of extremism I have never seen in "mainstream" politics here. Seems pretty clear that Theil wants Vance as an American Viktor Orban. More likely, they have fantasies about Vance as Pinochet.
Opinion
Michelle Goldberg
JD Vance Just Blurbed a Book Arguing That Progressives Are Subhuman
Aug. 5, 2024
Paywall free link to NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/opinion/jd-vance-fascism-unhumans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk4.xGes.1_ONuyrQ-M2p&smid=url-share
One of their books heroes is the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, who overthrew the democratic Second Spanish Republic in the countrys 1930s civil war. The authors call him a great man of history and compare him to George Washington. They quote him on what doesnt work against the unhuman threat: We do not believe in government through the voting booth. The Spanish national will was never freely expressed through the ballot box.
Nakedly authoritarian ideas like this one are not uncommon in the dank corners of the reactionary internet, or among the sort of groups that led the Jan. 6 insurrection. Unhumans lauds Augusto Pinochet, leader of the Chilean military junta who led a coup against Salvador Allendes elected government in 1973, ushering in a reign of torture and repression that involved tossing political enemies from helicopters.
Pinochet-inspired helicopter memes have been common in the MAGA movement for years. And as the historian David Austin Walsh wrote last year, theres long been a cult of Franco on the right. Nevertheless, its extremely unusual for a candidate for vice president of the United States to openly align himself with autocratic terror.
. . .
OldBaldy1701E
(8,929 posts)Now, I think that is a great idea.
Who should we drop right after that orange gibbon?
I am thinking Nosferatu McGoebbels. I doubt anyone else (except maybe that idiot in the HHS chair) in the regime has so much blood on their hands.
Vance as president is every bit as dangerous as that orange gibbon being there. Both are bought and paid for and both are trying to destroy everything because they can. (And, they have been convinced that doing so will make them a 'savior'.)
jfz9580m
(15,933 posts)Would you rather die by burning to death or being stabbed to death ?
Thats a legit both sideser.
I wouldnt be able to pick between Trump and Vance. Which cancer would you like today? We have multiple myeloma and pancreatic cancer..
But strategically I guess Vance is better. Actually yeah, I cant see him getting away with entirely destroying the US constitution as fast.
(Totally Legally Valid Disclaimer! I just make wisecracks online. Were Black Mirrors Hated in the Nation even possible I am not for that shit.
. Technologists and deregulatory forces bear all the responsibility for the chronic stress caused by technology these days. Not rando users who discuss politicians.)
angrychair
(11,086 posts)The couch humper is NOT Mango Mussolini.
No matter how many times he changes his name, no matter how much money Dracula (Theil) and his buddies pump into a multimedia propaganda to prop him up, he has a non-white wife and kids, not that bright and a terrible liar.
Make no mistake Mango Mussolini was a useful idiot but the key difference is he had connections, a cult following and a pedigree.
The couch humper has none of that.
NBachers
(18,862 posts)Maybe Stephen would stick around as a toady, waiting for his chance to shank Peter and rise uber alles.
58Sunliner
(6,025 posts)Diraven
(1,537 posts)Is that Vance knows he's a weaker leader and does not have the devotion of a cult following, so he'll try something awful to "prove" that he's a powerful leader, something that the most fanatical MAGA faithful will cheer on and demand that everyone else fall in line to support. I can only image what that would be. Then he'll claim he's doing it to "honor Trump's vision", like he has a direct line to his ghost, just like MAGA currently views Trump as infallible because he's "God's will". And they will eat that up.
summer_in_TX
(3,808 posts)JACK HOPKINS NOW
MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit
https://substack.com/home/post/p-172414848
MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit
The figurehead theory is fantasy. MAGA isnt transferable...it dies with the man.
JACK HOPKINS
AUG 31, 2025
MAGA Dies With Trump: The One Thing Pundits Refuse to Admit
The figurehead theory is fantasy. MAGA isnt transferable it dies with the man.
The Jack Hopkins Now Newsletter #515: Sunday, August 31st, 2025.
Heres the brutal truth: MAGA isnt bigger than Trump. MAGA is Trump.
Hes the spark plug the circus master the one man who turned grievance into a political religion. Remove him and you dont get a smooth handoff. You get chaos fragmentation and erosion.
Yes the anger will remain. Yes the authoritarian current in America will keep flowing. But the singular juggernaut we call MAGA? That dissolves the moment hes gone.
Because when the linchpin is removed the whole machine comes apart.
He makes a strong case and I suspect it could play out sort of like he predicts.
Farmer-Rick
(12,022 posts)Would the German Nazi movement have continued if Hitler had died after he became Chancellor? No. When Stalin died his repressive policies quickly fell apart. No one in Italy maintained Benito Mussolini's Nazi fascist government policies.
Strong men dictators are cults of personality. Take away the personality and you got nothing much remaining.
Morbius
(650 posts)If Donald Trump dies in office, Vance becomes President, yes. He will nominate, and the Senate will confirm, the next Vice-President.
Who that will be is the most interesting question, to me. The techno-fascists need someone charismatic after Trump, and Vance does not fit that bill.
mikenash54
(21 posts)Who becomes vice president?
edhopper
(36,622 posts)and the GOP Congress will confirm him. No matter who it is.
ihavenoidea
(13 posts)Theyll prob take more time and be less direct trying to turn the US into dictatorship, so, if the half-mummified oompa loompa gets impeached we're not AS fucked as we would be otherwise🤷 it would create momentum and he has less blind-fanatics on his side. Thats just my 2 cents tho
Snoopy 7
(679 posts)Don't forget what the russian's said when they found out about trumps pick as vp (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-state-tv-jd-vance-trumpier-trump-1926530). vance will do anything to please his russian bosses. vance is so money driven that he will play cut throat politics longer than his ailing "president" trump since trump is on a downward slide with his health.
BlueKota
(4,558 posts)probably be told to pick Stephen Milller as his VP. As if things couldn't get any worse.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,215 posts)... how could anyone not see that coming down the pipe. They started with sock puppet Reagan, who being a propaganda film trained B grade actor, was great at standing in front of people and reading a script.
JohnnyRingo
(20,144 posts)It's like if your house is burning, you put it out before you worry about looters after.