pay her off for remainig mum on Trump, allowing him to escape the fallout (they think) of pardoning her himself.

Plenty of smoke AND fire, methinks.

You know they're just trying to absolve Trump. Because they know they're untouchable and basically immune to political blowback.

Yeah, America's gone, it's some weird mafia nation now.

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Some other piece of shit will take over and do just as much horrible things. No it’s over and it’s all because people on the left could not help themselves but to nonstop trash Hillary in 2016 convincing God knows how many not to vote at all.

Say goodbye to your Social Security Medicare, it’s gone.

I will never give up hope.

I realize that a number of people feel that all hope for our country is lost, but it is really demoralizing to hear that viewpoint over and over again. Personally, I refuse to give up, and I believe that many if not most people here share that sentiment.

At a certain group on the left who in 2016 did everything they could to make sure Hillary Clinton did not get elected, convincing many not to vote at all.

Maybe it’s not completely over and gone but everything goes back to then when people acted like children.

To date I’ve yet to hear a single one of them admit they were wrong to do that.

Pence
Vance

/sarc

No thank you.

Is because Trump doesn’t want to be seen as the one doing it. He wants it to be seen as some sort of a consensus (with absolutely nothing to do with him) that the pedophile Maxwell was railroaded. The Retrumplicans dreamed up this back door pardon because they know that reversing Maxwell’s conviction is political suicide, even among parts of their base. So, if it’s the SCrOTUS and only the life time appointed SCrOTUS who does the filthy deed then they can say, “Who me? I didn’t have anything to do with it.” Which is absolute bullshit.

Which would expose even more so that there was no railroading and that it was a clean conviction. The Pedo Posse wants a blanket no-questions asked slate cleaning for Maxwell via the SCrOTUS. Similar to a pardon, but even more so. Maxwell just walks free like nothing happened. That's what they want.

There would be no "review" of the facts of her prosecution. The issues presented relate wholly to the meaning of the non-prosecution agreement between the Florida US Attorney's Office and Epstein. Maxwell contends that her appeal presents a straightforward and important question about whether a U.S. Attorney’s non-prosecutio made on behalf of “the United States” binds the entire United States or just the district in which it was made and argues that there is a split in the circuits on the question. The administration argues that the conflicting "default" positions of the different circuits is not actually in issue here because whether the non-prosecution was intended to apply only in Florida or nationwide is a question of contract interpretation. The administration, pointing to language in the agreement that expressly stated that it only limited prosecution of Epstein in "this district" -- i.e., Florida -- means that the intent was to permit prosecution in other districts, as actually did occur with respect to Epstein. Resolving these conflicting arguments is all that the Court would have to decide --the facts of Maxwell's prosecution aren't relevant -- either she was subject to prosecution or not.

I think there is a good chance that the Court will side with the administration because the contract interpretation issue allows it to avoid addressing an alleged circuit split that might not actually be dispositive in this case. But I could be wrong about that and they'll take the case. Of course, if they do, they still might rule against Maxwell since granting cert doesn't ensure that the decision below will be reversed.

The Heritage Foundation is pure evil.

When they saw a certain group on the left maliciously and relentlessly go after Hillary Clinton resulting in many people not voting at all and they saw the door opening, I will never get over it, I’m mad as hell still.

They all need to be expelled and banned from DC and arrested for this.

is to expel, ban and arrest members of the USSC?

We can't keep letting the scumbags in Fox, the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society run all over us while destroying our freedoms and turning our country into a laughing stock.

antagonize MAGAs to attack her after she's out. Or victims may go after her. Or rich people she has the good on.

Her case to the Supreme Court. They will rule on whether they review it or not. I need to go find some articles on this but that doesn’t sound A-typical of what anyone could do. Of course if Trump interferes from outside, that would be completely screwed up.

The issue is whether a non-prosecution agreement over something or other that was reached with Epstein also applies to her.

The agreement's existence displeases me. I don't want it to apply to her. However, I also like having the Constitution, statutes, case law apply equally to all H. sapiens, and while an embarrassment to the species, she's still one. Biologically, at least.

. . . It is actually quite a rare occurrence. And given that the Supreme Court's docket is discretionary (meaning they only have to hear the cases they choose to hear), that makes it even rarer.

It may not be common because the Supreme Court hears very few cases outside of issues with a broader reach. But it’s up to the Supreme Court to decide whether to hear the case. It’s within their rights to file an appeal to that level. At this point there isn’t anything blatantly sketchy about it.

If only drumpf can help her, she'll do/say whatever he demands in hope of a pardon. Therefore, scRotus will not intervene.

"For Liberty and Justice for all" will no longer have meaning if the US Supreme Court reverses Ghislaine Maxwell's Criminal Sex Trafficking conviction KNOWING that her trial and sentence were proper.

First, Maxwell has petitioned for certiorari -- she wants SCOTUS to review the appeals court decision that rejected her argument that the non-prosecution deal entered into by feds in Florida with Epstein should be interpreted as applying not only in Florida but also in other district courts, including the New York district court where she was tried and convicted. The issue of whether an agreement such as that one applies in all districts or only where it was entered into has divided the different courts of appeals -- and resolving a circuit split is often, but not always, the type of issue the SCOTUS often takes up.

Second, it has been scheduled for the Court to consider whether to grant or deny cert on September 29 because that is the first scheduling conference of the fall Supreme Court term. It will be one of hundreds and hundreds of petitions that will be considered at that time. The vast, vast majority will be denied and a relative handful will be granted. It takes the support of four of the nine justices for the petition to hear the case to be granted.

If Maxwell's petition is denied -- which is what the Trump DOJ has argued should happen -- Maxwell stays in jail. If the petition is granted -- because at least four justices think the case is "cert worthy", the court would then, typically, schedule briefing and oral arguments. Thereafter, sometime in late 2025 at the earliest and more likely sometime in 2026, the court would decide the case on the merits.Even if they grant cert it is not guaranteed that Maxwell willl win -- lower court decisions often are affirmed after the Court grants certiorari. If the decision on the merits is to affirm the lower court decision, Maxwell stays in jail. If the court resolves the circuit court split by siding with the courts that treat agreements such as the one at issue here as enforceable only in the district where entered, Maxwell's conviction would be overturned.

Sorry if the above rains on someone's parade.

will 4 justices agree to hear the appeal?

You are excellent in letting us understand how the system works or should work.

This procedure is an escape hatch for Trump and I put nothing past this fascist court.

Roe v Wade was settled law.

is that the Court likely will side with the administration and deny cert. The administration's argument is that while Maxwell focuses on a split in the circuits on whether a non-prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s office in one district is binding with respect to every other district. If so, she argues, then she shouldn't have been prosecuted in New York. The government's response is that the court doesn't need to address split in the circuit's on the question Maxwell presents because the agreement was not intended by the parties -- the US Attorney's Office and Epstein -- to be enforceable nationwide. Indeed, as the government points out, the agreement states in part that it is only enforceable with respect to Epstein "in this district" and, in fact, Epstein was subsequently prosecuted in a different district.

Under the circumstances, the Court may conclude that this isn't a good case for resolving the alleged circuit split and thus will deny cert. But I could be wrong about that. However, if I am, and the Court grants cert, it doesn't mean Maxwell wins. The Court not infrequently grants cert to review an appellate decision and then affirms that decision.

under the terms of the non-prosecution agreement between the Florida US Attorney's Office and Epstein.

To get to that point, she first has to convince four of the justices to grant certiorari to hear her argument. If they deny cert, game over. If they grant it, they'll set a briefing schedule and oral argument and at some point, possibly in late 2025 but more likely in 2026, they'll decide the merits of her argument. The fact that they granted cert -- if that's what they do -- doesn't necessarily mean they will reverse the court of appeals. Cases in which cert has been granted sometimes end up in the appeals court decision being affirmed.

that will omit a reason/justification for the decision.

Don't do "due" anything. Due process, nah. Due diligence, nah. Due regard, nah.

It's what Trump wants, right now! Right now, because he's being blackmailed, he wants Maxwell to skip out of the clink into the waiting arms of somewhere else with no awkward stone turned.

Those damn spots, they just won't wash out.

So, no, not likely.

It's petition for cert. Period.

The tendency for some DU posters to assume they know legal procedures -- or simply to ignore them -- is disturbing.

They will either grant it (uncommon) or deny it (most common).

after the appellate court refused to rehear her appeal. The Supreme Court has not granted it (at least not yet).

So your doom and gloom is needlessly inflammatory and premature.