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Virginia Guiffre was a 16-year-old towel girl working in the "spa" at Mar-A-Lago. Jeffrey Epstein was a billionaire Invester, as far as Trump was concerned.
Why would Trump be so upset that a teen aged girl employee went to work for him, unless he knew what Epstein was. Virginia was 16 at the time. Why would Trump be so attached to this employee, unless she worked there for a few years, making her very, very young at hiring.
Trump knew what was going on. They both were cads.

Omnipresent
(7,216 posts)Why does that job sound like a setup for creepy interactions with old men?
H2O Man
(77,965 posts)Pototan
(2,862 posts)I bet he didn't ever received "Father of the Year".
There is no evidence that he had the desire or capacity to be a good father. His daughter was an easy target for Maxwell.
orleans
(36,421 posts)do you remember where you read it?
i did find this (with her father on video, after she died
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/virginia-giuffre-father-death-cause-b2743303.html
H2O Man
(77,965 posts)said it on a podcast.
orleans
(36,421 posts)
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)Spa attendants typically greet clients, answer questions and perform administrative tasks, such as taking phone calls, managing communications and booking appointments for prospective clients. They also ensure the spa is clean and well-organized by preparing spa rooms and tidying them after a session. Additionally, they may assist therapists with their treatments and help clients with their requirements.
unblock
(55,649 posts)The previously widely published story about them falling out when they competed over a mansion auction is vastly more plausible.
Making Donnie pay millions more for something very understandably would put you on his enemies list.
A 16-year old girl is a throwaway to him. He could surely find a replacement to abuse easily enough.
tetedur
(1,347 posts)on "moving the swimming pool." Trump decided to undercut Epstein's attempt to acquire the mansion by outbidding him. This pissed off Epstein because he wanted the mansion and Epstein figured Trump didn't have the $40 million needed to buy it.
When Trump ultimately outbid Epstein he never lived in it nor had any intention of doing so. Trump sold the mansion for $95 million in one year.
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(55,649 posts)tetedur
(1,347 posts)As Epstein said according to Michael Wolff: Trump has "utterly no moral compass."
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(55,649 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 30, 2025, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)
trump keeps steven miller and the boys/girls working hard to make up this crapola.
unblock
(55,649 posts)constantly trying various b.s. arguments and able to provide near instant feedback as to number of likes and such.
brush
(61,033 posts)unblock
(55,649 posts)They just tell him to say whatever already gets the most likes in the manoshere.
Attilatheblond
(7,322 posts)*Probably not all that uncommon with all too many US employers.
Workers have agency; they are not owned by employers. The attitude that people can be owned by others is at the root of much abuse, exploitation, and general social ills. It allows the richest, most entitled, to think of workers as things rather than human beings. It is the mindset that allows all manner of horrors.
calimary
(87,905 posts)He lies so much Im surprised his nose isnt 10 inches.
BoRaGard
(7,586 posts)obviously
Pototan
(2,862 posts)And obviously some republicans do, too. The felon isn't worried about losing the support of Democrats. It's republicans and independents he fears will turn against him.
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)Republicans: Approve 89%; Disapprove 7%
Democrats: Approve 2%; Disapprove 97%
Independents: Approve 29%; Disapprove 64%
Independents already hate Trump (a -35% net approval).
Iggo
(49,227 posts)maxsolomon
(37,413 posts)"Independents" are Republicans too ashamed to admit it.
onenote
(45,681 posts)And 49% of the independents voted for Harris v.46% for Trump.
maxsolomon
(37,413 posts)By and large, I think Independents are full of shit.
onenote
(45,681 posts)Since they make up a larger percentage of the electorate than Democrats.
maxsolomon
(37,413 posts)I'm a commenter on a political message board.
onenote
(45,681 posts)But whose commentary proposes nothing to make that less likely in the future and reflects an attitude guaranteed to make it more likely.
Yay for your well thought out opinion.
Just my comment on a political message board.
maxsolomon
(37,413 posts)I guess yours are, but I run across several hundred kneejerk reactions every day on this site.
None of which are read by "Independents", so I have little worry I'm alienating them from the Democratic Party further. If I ever meet an "Independent" in real life, I'll be sure to engage them in a strategic, persuasive manner.
North Coast Lawyer
(188 posts)Republicans/MAGA only care about sex crimes if a Democrat is involved.
H2O Man
(77,965 posts)It was Maxwell that saw her at the felon's place and recruited her.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(58,768 posts)Escape
(285 posts)Trump provided for Epstein. Simple . That's the trail the media should be following.
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)Escape
(285 posts)is being investigated . We will see how it plays out.
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)In the last 24 Hours I've made probably a dozen posts pointing out that Trump was lying his ass off and also explaining how Trump is complicit in hundreds of rapes of teenage girls. You call that pro Trump? Just because I don't believe every ridiculous conspiracy theory people spout about him?
There's more than enough hard evidence of crimes committed by Trump that there is no need to rely on conspiracy theories to try to incriminate him.
Iggo
(49,227 posts)An I saw her first situation.
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)Shit our reps should be saying. Oh i forgot, they went home to fundraise, again, guess pedophiles can wait.
Dan
(4,903 posts)Why would anyone hire such a young girl without some type of adult supervision to ensure her safety/well-being. Hell, why would any parent allow their teenage daughter around Donald Trump?
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)There is no evidence she ever had any contact with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. In fact there is no evidence Trump ever even knew who she was.
hamsterjill
(16,589 posts)If Trump knew she was "recruited away", then he obviously knew who she was. What am I missing with your post?
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)Because a reporter asked a question and specifically mentioned her name he responded thusly:
His immediate response was "Uh, I don't know"? That does not sound like he knew who she was to me. The last sentence is the "tell". "She had no complaints abut us" - she has been mentioned all over the media lately as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago who Epstein hired away, and in her public statements about Epstein and others, she has said she observed no wrongdoing from Trump. Trump clearly read that and realized he could use it to deflect accusations against him. She obviously had one complaint or "issue" with Mar-a-Lago - they weren't paying here nearly as much as Maxwell offered to work for Epstein.
hamsterjill
(16,589 posts)That part does it for me.
Sorry, but if you're here to defend Trump in any way, shape, form or fashion, you've picked the wrong poster. I think he is guilty as sin. He says these things almost as a dare for someone to pin him on it. That's his MO. He's done it countless times.
Have a great afternoon.
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)And he can't name an employee that was "stolen" and answers "I don't know" even when a reporter gives him a name, and that somehow means Trump knew.....something? I have no idea how my pointing out that Trump is lying his ass off can be construed as defending Trump in any way.
Hornedfrog2000
(866 posts)People act like they are separate, they both worked in the compromant, drugs, and sex party industry. Trump just pretended to be a billionaire businessman while he did it.
Emile
(37,771 posts)usedtobedemgurl
(1,846 posts)Why on earth would he even know about some 16 year old worker? I guess it is possible it was rubbed in his face. I just find it curious.
WestMichRad
(2,649 posts)Save and recycle that headline. Its a statement that has been true with many things he has said, and will doubtless be true many more times (if we are so unfortunate as to not see him featured in the obituaries soon).
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)He probably had and still has no idea who Virginia Giuffre was. He only recognizes her name because she has been mentioned in the media recently and was reported as never having accused Trump of any wrongdoing. He never mentioned anything about this before yesterday. If he cared anything about it, he wouldn't have waited 25 years to mention it.
camartinwv
(133 posts)Virginia was unfortunate to find herself in a job that exposed her 2 of the biggest pedophiles of the time and she was used by them horribly. Thankfully, that did not happen to me.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,166 posts)70sEraVet
(4,921 posts)But the trouble for Trump is, every time he opens his mouth to try to quell the relentless Epstein questions, he implicates himself deeper and deeper!
For instance, if Trump KNEW that Epstein was stealing employees from Mar-a-lago (underage female employees), what did Trump think Epstein wanted them for?
His explanations only generate more questions, and the questions only get more and more dangerous for him.
Wiz Imp
(7,481 posts)This is one of his most obvious lies ever.
milestogo
(21,865 posts)He doesn't remember what happened where or what lies he has told.
creeksneakers2
(7,814 posts)That if I left a job because I found something better the employer I left would be happy for me.
KentuckyWoman
(7,289 posts)Epstein stole Don's teenager and Don had a snit.
Don the "innocent" found out Epstein was raping children and didn't call the cops.
Either way, Don is a putrid pile of gross.