First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
--Mahatma Gandhi

On that stage with the boxes of secret documents...so much fun...

that rich fuck would have seen what kind of sweet deal he could get - yup

He understood the rules of the game he played. At first, I had no opinion, as both options seemed possible. One of the things I looked for was how Barr would react. His behavior convinced me to look closer at the possibility that Epstein was hit. It seems pretty clear when you do look closely.

imagine what discovery would have been like.

Tsk, tsk.

at least as pertains to the way the story is being handled. It's all starting to look like the never-ending speculation over the JFK assassination and all the conspiracy theories that arose almost immediately afterwards when the Warren Commission was created and which concluded that Oswald acted alone. Documents relating to the assassination weren't released until 2017 (with more to come), and in the meantime the conspiracy theories exploded and haven't gone away. There are holes in the explanations of the circumstances surrounding Epstein's death as well, and the more the FBI insists he committed suicide without explaining the holes, the more their explanations will be questioned, and the conspiracy will grow. Of course this doesn't help Trump a bit - MAGA always thought of him as their hero in the fight against the Deep State, but now he is the Deep State.

D'uh, Mr. Barr.

and nobody at the FBI or DOJ said "Let's be sure we have eyeballs on him 24/7 and not just cameras."? All the rest of the "circumstances" all lined up for him to "commit suicide"? Before he even got there millions were screaming about keeping a close eye on him. So despite all of the FBI agents who worked on this Bill Barr decided he needed to make a personal visit and no notes of what was said. No review of security by Barr. But I'm sure it happens all the time that the US Attorney General goes and has private talks with high profile criminals before trial.

It's murder and a cover up.

This legal principle holds that a witness who falsely testifies about one matter is not credible to testify about any matter. There are too many falsehoods in the government's story, their overall findings cannot be trusted.

That statement is in the article the OP provided a link to.

It also doesn't refute the autopsy or the 2023 Justice Department review. If someone is going to be telling us how wrong we were and such, it should be supported by more than this.

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I don't believe they ever released the autopsy. It didn't say so in the link.

i'm not sure what you are trying to suggest here? People who die under suspicious circumstances are often autopsied.

Isn't that the point? Pretending that it's a proven fact that Epstein committed suicide may not be entirely supported by the available facts.

If, by "refute," you mean "proves beyond reasonable doubt," well...hardly anything meets that evidentiary standard.

Pretty sure that's what the OP says in actual English.

That is true.

The linked article calls the certitude that Epstein offed himself into question. And the linked article is not from a notably conspiracy-mongering source.

“Some of us said Epstein was murdered day one”

Other then suicide, such as what you say the OP wrote , would also include accidental death or death by natural causes.

i dont know anyone who thinks he killed himself.

Trump's attempts to make this go away just makes it more suspicious. If an investigation into Epstein's death is opened, Trump will really have a meltdown even though one would think I'd like to see that done to insure that he is cleared of any involvement.

but the number of coincidences that had to stack up to add up to suicide in his case completely beggar the imagination. The only way they could have made this one convincing to me is if they'd pulled his pants down around his ankles and posed his hands in front. Autoerotic asphyxiation gone wrong might have been believable. A suicide consistent with his imjuries in a cell specifically designed to prevent them was not.

IMO, that cat got whacked. Not sure by whom or how, but enough people wanted him shut up and permanently disappeared to fund, plan, and finish the job.

I worked in AZ DOC for 20 years, been on a few suicide watches. For the amount of things to go wrong that went wrong for him to hang himself blow the odds.

1) Should have been in a bunny suit(to light weight to make a noose to chock yourself out)
2) Should have had a suicide blanket(almost impossible to tear and make into a noose). It can be torn, but NOT quickly.
3) CO are monitoring under camera.
4 Sgt. is suppose to note on a suicide log at least 4 times during an 8 hour shift that he made a visual inspection of the watch cell.

I call BS

they knew he was suicidal and they made it easy for him to do it, unimpeded. How much easier that no one had to dirty their hands and take a chance of being caught.

He was a sex addict. Not out-of-the-question.

That's because I knew Trump was involved.

Argues with some of us about some of these things like this or the other day when I said maga piece of shit Ellison is going to control Paramount CBS and I was quickly told by someone that he had such a small financial interest in the merger that he couldn’t possibly be in charge, that turned out to be wrong.

My point being it’s one thing to say “well you might be right that he was murdered but I disagree with you“ but that’s not what the folks did, they laughed and said how foolish we were and called us conspiracy theorists.

Does this prove beyond any doubt he was murdered, no. Does it leave room for doubt about what happened, obviously.

I would never phrase it like I did had I not been made fun of when I said he was murdered, and it’s true that I have no doubt then or now that he was murdered. Obviously for now that’s just my opinion.

exclaiming 'no way, you don't know what you are talking about'.

I remember it well. He was murdered IMO.

Ellison would run CBS Paramount and it would become a maga fascist operation, instantly someone came on to educate me about how little ownership he had and I even deferred to them and said well I guess if that’s correct I would be wrong and then of course I did some research.

I remember being scolded for calling Trump a traitor and a Nazi in 2016 or 2017.

Several people said I obviously did not understand the word “treason“ because since we were not in a war blah blah blah, it’s more nuance than that but I guess my reputation precedes me because I’m that guy that will not let go of the nose holders.

Which is about all that the brother’s statement tells us.

Are you skeptical of those suicides?

Weird comparison given Epstein was a human rights abuser and was facing life in prison.

Not so fun facts. There were 22,830 murders in the US in 2023. On the other hand there were over 49,000 suicides in 2023. Suggests you should be more skeptical of murder given it's less common.

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/data.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

But they believe it was the Clintons or the Deep State that committed the crime.

Until then, I'll give both prophets and sealions their full due. I presume he killed himself. I presume he was in cahoots with a lot of big name degenerates, trump being one. I'll presume something of consequence happens one day. That's all I've got.

Of course, he was murdered.

Of course, Trump is guilty of having sex with young girls.

There. Put some common sense back into the equation. Now, can we go forward with convicting those responsible? Somebody knows SOMETHING and could be made to talk if the stakes were high enough.

Enough with all of the bullshit.

posts were very memorable.

I didn't laugh at them; I simply disagreed with your conclusion.

BBC interview say very simply that it was not a suicide.

And one of the responses here links to the renowned criminal pathologist autopsy guy saying in all the suicidal neck hangings he’s looked at never once has he seen those three bones broken. And then of course there is still missing jail tape etc.

And the brand new CBS report saying major discrepancies etc., I guess maga Paramount owner Ellison hasn’t gotten control yet because soon we won’t be able to trust anything on CBS.

But thank you again for your adult response, others could learn from you.

Same as the 2024 election was rigged presumably by musk and his team, it’s very obvious when people watch the now three parts on YouTube on the Christopher Titus page.

You all understand what the conspiracy theory entails? It's quite similar to the antisemitic qanon conspiracy theories.