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"Satan sent her from the bowels of hell, I should have recognized old Jezebel. Alice Cooper
Few people are as misunderstood as Ghislaine Maxwell. There are some in the current administration that are working to keep it that way. They want the public to view her as one of Epstein's victims, used and abused, and unfairly prosecuted because she is a woman. I could puke.
First, a couple current events. When the WSJ prepared to print the felon's letter included in Epstein's 50th birthday album, the felon began to panic. I have been told, but cannot verify, that Maxwell's brother in England provided this to the WSJ. One could speculate that the brother, who has supported her since her pre-trial incarceration, was sending a message to the felon, with the idea that if there is not a pardon, more will be released.
It is possible, of course, that it is simply another case of the long arm of coincidence, wrenching itself out of socket. The same with the #2 person at the DOJ immediately setting up meetings with Maxwell. It's surely as much a coincidence as Todd Blanche former lawyer for the felon on the Stormy Daniels case, now at the DOJ being in contact with her lawyer David Markus. The two have been close friends for years.
Markus had the unmitigated gall to say that if the felon pardons Maxwell, it will give her an opportunity that she has been denied, to tell her story. This, despite her documented history of hiding from investigators for years, and having her lawyers communicate with them. And while it was definitely her right to not testify in her criminal trial, that was her choice. She has never been denied the option of telling her story.
Second, as readers are aware, Maxwell is appealing her case to the USSC. Good people are concerned the court will toss her convictions. That is extremely unlikely. First, last September, all three judges on Manhattan's Second U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld her convictions and sentencing. She wants the first agreement between Alexander Acosta and Epstein's lawyer to apply to her case. That is not happening.
I know that there is a fear the court will do any- and everything to protect the felon. I understand that concern, and recognize that at least two of the Injustices may try to here. However, there are two things that are of interest here. The first one you may have forgotten, as news cycles tend to spin faster than a cyclone. On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, during one of Maxwell's hearings, a large herd of maga cult members disrupted the court.
Both then and now, these were the truest of true believers in Q-anon. They were convinced that Maxwell was a key part of the Democratic Party's satanic global sex ring that was made up of paedophiles and pedophiles, sacrificing children to their perversions. While possible, it is not certain that today that they would find the raping of underage girls to be okay. Quite the opposite.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/qanon-disrupts-ghislaine-maxwell-case-gm5z8xssj
The USSC members have discussed the need for increased security, as the result of the increasing rates of threats against individual. The most recent one I am aware of was specific to the majority of threats, which are aimed at Justices who vote against the felon.
Now, yesterday on another OP I posted, an old-timer from the DU community disagreed with me. He said this was old news that had been baked in. As an older and moldier community member, I disagreed. But I respect fellow old-timers. So when he mentioned the felon's saying he could shoot someone on a city street and not lose support, I've thought about that, and again, respectfully disagree.
The felon's 2016 gun comment appealed to a segment of the population that found it evidence of his manly manliness and ultimate rough, tough guys. They are the type that would answer his call to overthrow the government. The law & order types, gun owners all, who were willing to attack police in DC. People so blind that they would vote for the felon in three elections.
Being Q-anon faithful that understood the felon to be the Second Coming, these same types would disrupt a court hearing about Maxwell's role in the underage girls being raped. They were correct, of course, in expressing rage over Epstein and Maxwell, though they picked the wrong setting to do so. Thus, there were looking forward to the felon carrying through on his campaign's promise to reveal the hidden evidence that would document the satanists' evil practices.
They are the ones the felon fears losing. Now, some ass-kissers are trying to provide cover by lying to the maga base. Watch today's report on this on today's MeidasTouch. They have no shame. Or street cred among the maga. They have transformed into the dreaded Deep State. The podcasts the maga watch are telling them that the felon & co have lied to them. They are demanding the files not transcripts from a grand jury, and not from Maxwell, who has long opposed releasing the evidence.
I sign off before this gets too long. But I have a lot more on Maxwell.

Easterncedar
(4,759 posts)H2O Man
(77,546 posts)One of the great things is this isn't going to fade away. A large part of Q-anonsence focused on the murder of JFK being a coup. The cult was excited to learn that none other than JFK, Jr., was supporting the felon, and prepared to help the felon expose the Deep State child sex ring. Now things have morphed, and they question if Epstein took his own life or was murdered. Darned if I know, but I don't think the maga officials can distract even their followers now.
dlk
(12,804 posts)She is right where she belongs.
It strikes me as curious that many assume Epstein was in charge, and Maxwell simple following directions. That simply is not accurate. She is a terrible human being.
Mr. Evil
(3,367 posts)she also participated and watched on multiple occasions. She needs to rot.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)And she made money off her activities. As low as they come.
dlk
(12,804 posts)And true partners in every sense of the word.
Hekate
(98,691 posts)And by crazy people I mean every MAGA, Q-Anon, member of this admin, and trump himself.
Thank you as always for something to think about differently.
I keep thinking about at one of the felon's rallies, when two maga christian nationalists said they liked the felon more than Jesus -- that the felon is strong, while Jesus was weak.
Long ago, such true believers became furious when they found a saint's corpse had become putrid in the grave. Human nature holds firm. The maga will not react kindly to finding out that they have been played.
3Hotdogs
(14,411 posts)Or something similar. WHO IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
Not the justice department. Not Congress. Not the Florida D.A. Not the Supreme Court.
That is what's frustrating.
And of course, she will be pardoned or have her sentence commutated. Then what? He pardoned the Jan 6 criminals. Nothing happened.
The only good thing, pardoning her will help the Democrats in '28.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)that the felon pardons her, or commutes her sentence. Please, please, let it happen!
At this point, focusing on if he will or won't be held accountable isn't what I think is important. Of course, I respect others' opinions. And ask that others keep in mind that I am limited to seeing all of life in the context of the sport of boxing. Is this handicap a result of all the punches I took? (grin)
When I fought a guy who had a good delivery system for landing hard punches, my immediate goal was to disable that potential danger. Sometimes that meant taking him out fast. But many times, it was breaking him down. I didn't concentrate on the fact that it is hard to get a decision in an opponent's home town. Never crossed my mind. No matter if the opponent was a boxer or slugger, I wanted to introduce him to how it feels to try to defend one's self with the wind knocked out of you. Or to slam a nice left hook to their liver.
Yet one encounters dangerous fighters, who can inflict damage if you make a single mistake. That requires punches to the head and body, and as the rounds go on, and he is tired and hurt, he will make the mistake that allows you to take him out. Fuck his home town judges.
Though I did not see the Epstein issue coming up now in any significant way, it has. I view it as landing nice body punches to the administration. If need be, I hope they continue to land until the mid-terms. The voting public will be judging. And after that, I will think about holding him and his ilk responsible.
slightlv
(6,198 posts)from those pardoned individuals (especially those belonging to militia groups), trump created his own Iranian Republican Guard. His own, personal military; willing to kill or be killed for trump.
I don't know what, if anything, could happen to him if the truth ever came out. I don't think it's what people are assuming, tho. My gut tells me it's not a 12 year old girl (unless he killed the girl in some S&M "play" that got out of hand). Rather, I think we might be amazed at how many little boys he screwed. THAT would get maga's dander up... not just because it's pedophilia, but because it would be with little "boys." Catholic church and Southern Baptists notwithstanding, the girls always get the blame heaped back on them, no matter how young they are. Born of Eve, their original sin is said to be so much worse and far more ingrained than boys'. Little boys are innocent and pure; girls are born with a seducing smile. In addition, tho... it would jack the magas because of the same sex aspect of it. He (and they) have made such a horrendous deal out of being born "different" where sex and/or gender/ gender identity is concerned, I honestly think that might be the "one toke over the line" for most of them. They no he's fallible; they know he's evil; a sinner and false prophet of the worst kind, leading "good christians" astray. But they have ready made excuses for that. They *don't* have one for engaging in sex with boys, especially pre-teen boys. Just look at the great maga preachers who've been caught with their pants down (forgive the pun) in the company of little boys. They end up drummed out of their church, if not the profession altogether. I think it might be the one unforgivable sin where trump is concerned.
So.. either he killed a child during a sex act gone wrong OR he had a penchant for little boys (power tripping). That's what my gut is leaning towards.
3Hotdogs
(14,411 posts)slightlv
(6,198 posts)Been too young when the Express was running.
Jack Valentino
(2,881 posts)in this context... unless it has something to do with rabbit holes,
which I rarely go down...
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)Cooper.
AntiFascist
(13,580 posts)Ghislaine was Robert Maxwell's favorite daughter, "The moment Robert Maxwell died...something twisted in her."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c0234j
Apparently, the FBI also created a lengthy file on Robert Maxwell:
...
For years, Maxwell was accorded favored status in the Soviet Union as he frequently travelled back and forth through the Iron Curtain. From the late 1940s, he was in regular contact with Soviet leaders and the KGB.
He was secretly paid by the KGB to publish 50,000 copies of a series of fawning biographies of communist leaders, although he duped them about the number that were actually printed.
...
But ironically, it was MI6 which had given him the money to establish himself in publishing. MI6 had bankrolled him in the early 1950s as they believed it would be a good chance to obtain intelligence about Soviet scientific work.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/oct/14/freedomofinformation.uk
Maxwell was allegedly able to sell the bugged Israeli version of the PROMIS software to Sandia National Laboratories and Los Alamos National Laboratory, two of the most important nuclear research and national security facilities in the United States.[58] Maxwell allegedly employed John Tower, Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services, to facilitate the sales of the bugged Israeli version of the PROMIS software to Sandia and Los Alamos.[58]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Distribution_of_PROMIS_software_to_facilitate_Israeli_spying
and this might explain a potential connection to the INSLAW AFFAIR involving money laundering, drug profits...perhaps human trafficking?
systems to support Allied intelligence agencies has also been used to support another initiative,
according to some of the same sources: the laundering of money, especially drug profits, through
direct access to the computers of the mainstream banking and financial system.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/kavanaugh/releases/docid-70105136.pdf
Maybe this is a stretch, but the Epstein-Maxwell affair could open up a giant can of worms involving government corruption, and why Dan Bongino is shocked down to his core about what hes learned during an internal investigation of corruption and political weaponization at federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)I think you are on to something. I'm not sure about Dan Bongino over-all, as he has a sad habit of making ultimadums. But I think that you are correct that his seeing what is actually in the files has him shaking.
It struck me as odd that Maxwell released a statement saying she is not suicidal. She is in one of the lowest security level prisons in the country. Maybe she wishes there was more security. She's playing a dangerous game.
AntiFascist
(13,580 posts)...
In a sworn affidavit, the investigative author Gordon Thomas recounts how Eitan told him (Robert) Maxwell alone sold over $500m worth of espionage-enabled versions of PROMIS including licences to the UK, Australia, South Korea, Canada and the Soviet KGB. The British counter-intelligence agency MI5, according to Eitan (who himself was an adviser to the UK secret service MI6), used PROMIS to track members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA), as well as Irish republican political leaders including Gerry Adams.
...
Now more than two decades since he pioneered PROMIS, the Inslaw president Bill Hamilton today believes the story illustrates an enduring, fundamental problem at the heart of the US justice system. [It] chronicles the continued inability of the US government to enforce federal criminal laws in cases involving national security issues, or even to render ordinary civil justice, he says. National security appears to suspend the checks and balances built into the system of government in the United States, to the detriment of the citizens.
...
What Mr and Mrs Hamilton think happened, did happen, LeGrand wrote, conveying information he had received from a trusted government source. The Inslaw case is a lot dirtier for the Department of Justice than Watergate was, in both breadth and depth. The Department of Justice has been compromised in the Inslaw case at every level.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2011/04/promis-government-inslaw
As of 2017, Robert Maxwell's FBI file is becoming even more classified:
Sir Robert Maxwells FBI file is getting more classified by the minute
The media mogul and alleged spys increasingly redacted ties to the PROMIS scandal include tapping a government database on tapping government databases
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/jun/28/sir-robert-maxwells-fbi-PROMIS/
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)Because of his direct connection to Israeli intelligence, there are a fuck-load of tunnels in that rabbit hole. Some connect. Others are intended to take one in the wrong direction.
If one is a Russian critic of Putin, they should avoid windows in a high-rise, and toxic drinks. If one is in US-English-Israeli intelligence, they should avoid hanging out on boats.
AntiFascist
(13,580 posts)that is why he sent his lovely and loving daughter Ghislaine to New York to mix with high society where he might ultimately be able to resurrect his reputation.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)Again, I should add!
malaise
(287,198 posts)Rec
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)I'm organizing more on Maxwell as I am doing lawn & garden work. As it is in the 90s, I have to take more breaks, which allows me to read some older information that I think applies.
Do you think I should write a simple message for DUers to use to call, text, or send a postcard to elected officials? One that should be sent to members of both parties, in a "non-political" way? I'm not sure that many community members take part.
She must not receive a pardon for the coverup.
This should be the last straw
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)Maxwell can refuse to testify before Congress because of her appeal to the USSC. If she is pardoned, then she's going to be testifying. We both know she will be lying. But the Democrats can question her about things such as why she had her attorney file to keep her court records sealed. Not grand jury transcripts, but depositions and the like. More, they may get Ms. Comey to advise them.
There are specific cases with files we should focus on, lobbying to Congress that they get access to these. That is what they are so desperately trying to hide. If we get those, the scandal unravels more, heading to the next level of information.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)if the administration refuses to make a deal with her, her brother will continue to release things to the WSJ. And the WSJ will publish them, and people will continue to turn on him. We win either way. But in terms of the Maxwell siblings, they know how to play their hand against the felon. That jackass keeps saying the Biden administration didn't release them. No kidding. President Biden didn't campaign on the Epstein files. And it wasn't as if Joe Biden wouldn't have been pleased if confronted with "pardon her, or we will release stuff that trump fears becoming public."
mercuryblues
(15,779 posts)I have some RBG postal stamps...tee.hee. I'll have to check and see if I have any Pete Seeger left.
https://store.usps.com/store/stamps/stamps/_/N-9y93lv?No=96&Nrpp=48&
multigraincracker
(36,041 posts)tires on his used car lot.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)He seemed mildly unhinged a few times recently. Frustrated he can't get away from the ghost of Epstein. A haunted man.
live love laugh
(15,691 posts)
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)One of her brothers in England is prepared to make the felon the "beneficiary" if anything happens to her. That puts her in a better position in negotiating on a release from incarceration.
SheltieLover
(72,177 posts)
Kid Berwyn
(21,535 posts)She was the "nice and safe lady" the young girls they targeted would trust.
Chris Hedges interviewed an expert on the subject, author Nick Bryant.
H2O Man
(77,546 posts)I think in that and many other ways, too. I find it odd that so many people in the media assume that she did what Epstein told her to do, as he was boss. It is quite an assumption to make. They might have been equal partners. Or maybe she was his handler, a job her lack of conscience prepared her for. I think equal partners, though not in 100% the same ways.
Kid Berwyn
(21,535 posts)The publisher was a very rich guy with fun toys who knew how to find and trade secrets. Who knew he was friends with people in the intelligence field?
Nick Bryant explained that once compromised, the victims of blackmail would stay in line not just from fear of exposure, but also from fear of being told to get off the yacht.
I dont recall them noticing the irony of falling off the yacht. Theirs was a pretty informative convo.
to make them part of those allowed on what the yacht? Once compromised,
mercuryblues
(15,779 posts)that Epstein was not the boss, he had bosses. (board of directors?) They told them who to lure.
I don't think he blackmailed for money. I believe he operated like a club. Members paid yearly dues. A simple call to Epstein or maxwell an hour later their delivery would arrive.
trump's job was to pick them. Epstein and maxwell and trump groomed and assaulted them. Trump got his cut and free choice.
I never heard the backstory on Maxwell. Knowing this I think she stepped in when Daddy was gone. To me she seems like the only one of the 3 to be smart enough to keep this together.