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PeaceWave

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Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:30 PM Monday

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Trump is telling so many crazy lies, I wonder if his credibility is damaged right now? Irish_Dem Monday #1
He has credibility? Deuxcents Monday #2
Yes with the MAGA cult members. Irish_Dem Monday #3
Time to ask for reporter on the ground....with regular reports Vthestate Monday #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Lithos Monday #5
A day late and a dollar short Mossfern Monday #6
As time passes, it will be clear that Trump is not on their side karynnj Monday #7
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Monday #8
Give that time karynnj Monday #9
Apart from when it has: muriel_volestrangler Monday #10
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Monday #11
You shouldn't let your political life be ruled by students muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #14
Trump's Greatest Con Is Genocide: The U.S. president is still trying to sell the world on the destruction of Gaza. Celerity Tuesday #17
How long do we have to put up with this shit? Prairie Gates Monday #12
Nope newdeal2 Monday #13
When you're too much of a barbarian for even Trump... Polybius Tuesday #15
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Tuesday #16
Oh please. Trump made his statement that they are starving while he plans his Golden Trumpland in Gaza. Nanjeanne Tuesday #18
Krasnov often describes a problem, never does anything to stop it. GoodRaisin Tuesday #19
Riiight. The guy who tells his buddy B.See 23 hrs ago #20

Irish_Dem

(72,738 posts)
1. Trump is telling so many crazy lies, I wonder if his credibility is damaged right now?
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:32 PM
Monday

Deuxcents

(23,269 posts)
2. He has credibility?
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:34 PM
Monday

Irish_Dem

(72,738 posts)
3. Yes with the MAGA cult members.
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:45 PM
Monday

But I think they are beginning to doubt some of his lies because of the Epstein lies.

Vthestate

(30 posts)
4. Time to ask for reporter on the ground....with regular reports
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:50 PM
Monday

The Gazan that can not traval away from the slaughter (all of them) need to be reported on everyday. I will now go to aljazeera...yes they are covering Gaza & what do you know Iran also.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/7/28/live-israel-lets-aid-into-gaza-but-un-says-its-not-enough-to-stop-famine?update=3862333

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Mossfern

(4,176 posts)
6. A day late and a dollar short
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:57 PM
Monday

No, Donny Dirty Drawers, you are not the savior of the Palestinians.
What of your plans for Gaza?

karynnj

(60,432 posts)
7. As time passes, it will be clear that Trump is not on their side
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 06:02 PM
Monday

Consider, that more than Muslims and Jews, the huge majority of evangelicals would likely favor giving the entire West Bank (Judea and Samaria) to the Jews God promised it to.

Not to mention, there has been international condemnation of the US mercenaries/IDF food delivery that has led to many queuing for food being killed. While it is good that he admits that people are starving, that is a tiny baby step. Remember he was the first to call for removing Palestinians to create a resort on the shore. That encouraged the Israeli far right.

I seriously doubt he is considered a hero by the Palestinians. He may be the worst thought of person who is not Israeli.

Response to karynnj (Reply #7)

karynnj

(60,432 posts)
9. Give that time
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 07:50 PM
Monday

Today's Haaretz has an article on Netanyahu threatening annexing pieces of Gaza if they don't get a ceasefire. The article says Trump supports him.

I suspect that the chants against Biden and Harris were an attempt to push their policy. In addition, there was an election. Now, I suspect that many might be too intimidated by Trump.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,224 posts)
10. Apart from when it has:
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 07:58 PM
Monday
Trump accused of ‘genocidal rhetoric’ after telling Gazans ‘you are dead’ if Hamas fails to release hostages

Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty International UK's crisis response manager, told The Independent: “Donald Trump's sinister threat to the people of Gaza mirrors the genocidal rhetoric of Israeli military and political leaders who have made no distinction between civilians and armed groups in Gaza.

“The people of Gaza are overwhelmingly civilian – they're children, women, men, older people and people with disabilities. Holding them collectively responsible for war crimes by Palestinian armed groups is the same logic that Israeli forces have employed with devastating consequences.

“The UK has a legal obligation to help prevent genocide and should be condemning collective punishment and genocidal rhetoric.”

Mr Benedict said the UK must make this clear ahead of the US president’s state visit to Britain.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-hamas-gaza-netanyahu-b2710234.html

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muriel_volestrangler

(104,224 posts)
14. You shouldn't let your political life be ruled by students
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 04:24 AM
Tuesday

Even if you're a student yourself, a bit of independence would be a good thing.

Celerity

(51,161 posts)
17. Trump's Greatest Con Is Genocide: The U.S. president is still trying to sell the world on the destruction of Gaza.
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 03:54 PM
Tuesday


https://fpif.org/trumps-greatest-con-is-genocide/

June 5, 2025


Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu (Shutterstock)

Among all the cons that Donald Trump has pushed on the world, none has compared to his plan for facilitating genocide in Gaza. While his administration has continued providing Israel with the weapons that it is using to destroy Gaza, the U.S. president has been making a business pitch in favor of genocide. By proposing to depopulate Gaza and develop it into “the Riviera of the Middle East,” Trump has been trying to persuade the world’s wealthiest people that they can gain from the destruction of the territory. Although the media has shifted its focus away from Trump’s proposal, he continues to promote it. “Think about it,” Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said in a speech from the Senate floor on May 8. “2.2 million desperate people who have been bombed and starved and driven from their homes are now about to be forcibly expelled from their territory into God knows where so that Trump and his friends can build a Riviera for the billionaire class.”

U.S. Appeals to Genocide

In the United States, there is a long history of U.S. leaders making arguments in favor of genocide. Although the term genocide was not coined until World War II as part of an effort to condemn the Nazis for the Holocaust and hold them legally accountable for their crimes against humanity, previous generations of U.S. officials had developed arguments for eliminating entire groups of people. For centuries, some of the most influential U.S. politicians envisioned the eradication of Native Americans. Benjamin Franklin thought that it could be “the design of Providence to extirpate these savages,” as he called indigenous people. Their elimination would “make room for the cultivators of the earth,” meaning Anglo-American settlers.

Thomas Jefferson believed that the United States would commit genocide against Native Americans. In a reference to what he called “backward” groups of Native Americans, Jefferson wrote that “we shall be obliged to drive them, with the beasts of the forest, into the stony mountains.” Attacks by Native Americans against U.S. settlers “will oblige us now to pursue them to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach.” Often, U.S. officials have appealed to notions of manifest destiny, or the idea that God has chosen U.S. settlers to inhabit all of America. In 1845, the prominent political writer John O’Sullivan popularized the notion when he wrote about “our manifest destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence.”

Trump has made appeals to manifest destiny, including one in his second inaugural address, but his arguments in favor of genocide in Gaza have been different. Rather than claiming that he is trying to create living space for settlers from Israel or the United States, he has made a business pitch to the world’s elite, casting them as the primary beneficiaries of genocide in Gaza. When Trump first called for the United States to “take over the Gaza Strip,” he presented a vision in which Gaza would be completely emptied of Palestinians to become one of the most luxurious resort areas in the world. “We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal,” the president said. Gaza can become “the Riviera of the Middle East.” On social media, the president boasted that his plan would result in “one of the greatest and most spectacular developments of its kind on Earth.”

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Prairie Gates

(5,737 posts)
12. How long do we have to put up with this shit?
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 10:18 PM
Monday


newdeal2

(3,466 posts)
13. Nope
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 10:28 PM
Monday

He doesn’t give a damn about his own people in this country who are suffering - see the fires, floods, etc.

You think he cares about helping Palestine?

Polybius

(20,607 posts)
15. When you're too much of a barbarian for even Trump...
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 04:46 AM
Tuesday

That's how bad Bibi is.

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Nanjeanne

(6,313 posts)
18. Oh please. Trump made his statement that they are starving while he plans his Golden Trumpland in Gaza.
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 04:04 PM
Tuesday

GoodRaisin

(10,378 posts)
19. Krasnov often describes a problem, never does anything to stop it.
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 05:36 PM
Tuesday

He was going to stop the killing on day one. But only had concepts of a plan.

B.See

(5,975 posts)
20. Riiight. The guy who tells his buddy
Wed Jul 30, 2025, 07:39 PM
23 hrs ago

Bibi to "finish it" and who aired AI generated videos of girls(?) dancing in 'Trump's beachfront Gaza' (and presumably upon the graves of dead Gazans).

Some 'hero' eh?

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