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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe General Theory of Enshittification (Paul Krugman)
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/the-general-theory-of-enshittificationHere is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
I argued earlier this week (1) that enshittification has a lot to do with the way the tech industry has fallen out of public favor:

And the increasingly anti-democratic rage of tech bros is, Id argue, in part driven by their awareness that people dont love and admire them the way they used to, and their belief that they should still be the culture heroes they once were.
(1) Enshittification and the Bitterness of Billionaire Bros
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/enshittification-and-the-bitterness
One of the many weird, ugly developments in these weird, ugly times has been the MAGAfication of a number of Silicon Valley billionaires. In a fully functional democracy the views of a handful of people with anti-democratic ideas wouldnt matter. But we live in a corrupted democracy in which wealth buys power, so when people who accumulated vast fortunes largely thanks to U.S. scientific preeminence begin backing a deeply anti-scientific movement, it matters quite a lot.
Silicon Valley used to be generally pro-Democratic. So did the Biden administration mishandle its relationship by starting to impose some regulation on the industry?
I dont think so. The actual regulations imposed during the Biden years wouldnt have significantly reduced industry profits and were weaker than those in Europe. But the industry was right to see them as a harbinger of more regulation to come, because the public, which used to have a highly favorable view of tech and its leaders, had lost faith.
The thing is, the tech bros havent just turned right. Many of them are filled with rage that special kind of rage exhibited by men who enjoy vast privilege and cant abide any suggestion that their privilege is unjustified.
My posts on this sordid topic.
Reboot' Revealed: Elon Musk's CEO-Dictator Playbook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220003654
Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk 'Hijacking' Republicans to Control Entire US Government
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220008207 These posts contain, or link to, important understanding of the twisted mentality of Elon and company.
Also good reads!


highplainsdem
(57,601 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(20,225 posts)The 2028 nominee will not campaign on more tech regulation, restricting AI and crypto access to municipal power grids, higher taxes for billionaires, or anything else that might piss off the tech bros.
usonian
(19,406 posts)California is the 4th largest economy on earth.
Problems get solved here first.
But he, and the vast majority of the state will never accept techno-elitist, racist, eugenicist garbage.
Fiendish Thingy
(20,225 posts)Considering the crypto bros easily purchased 102 Dem reps and 18 senators to pass the GENIUS act, I dont think the tech bros will have much difficulty persuading Dems to see things their way.
usonian
(19,406 posts)In buying "deregulation", they also bought fascist rule, and according to Musk, extreme destruction of their lifeblood, immigrants and university research, among other things. So, maybe they want to take over (guaranteed when Vance succeeds mister basket case) but how much of the nazi agenda will they push?
According to the above, lots, but it's backfiring.
Just "What do they really want?" Maybe that's being discussed right now.
One post:
Long time Silicon Valley investor sheds 💦💦 tears 💦💦 over bad decision. 💦💦
Musk vs Trump is a cautionary tale for Silicon Valley
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/topstories/musk-vs-trump-is-a-cautionary-tale-for-silicon-valley/ar-AA1GiZfR
The last paragraph is the best.
Story by Michael Moritz
The writer is a longtime Silicon Valley investor, former board member of PayPal and an investor in SpaceX
The eruption between Elon Musk and Donald Trump has reverberated around the world. It must be mortifying for those in Silicon Valley who threw their support behind the president thinking he would shrink the federal government. With Musks departure, any hope of a disciplined approach to the US government and budget goes as well. Musk is right; the Trump budget is an abomination.
lavish praise of Musk (deleted)
By comparison, Trump has none of Musks business acumen or his attention span. Since the inauguration, he has run the government just like he operated his own business, raising mountains of debt and betraying employees, while escaping unscathed himself.
What is the result of this meeting of company builder and medieval monarch? Its the opposite of what was promised: a US budget that has ballooned, debt levels that will only rise and crushing interest payments that make the country vulnerable to its largest creditors Japan and China.
One word of advice for those in Silicon Valley who followed Musks lead and sided with Trump. Leave. Dont delude yourself that you are working to make crypto a part of global finance, minimising artificial intelligence regulation, helping start-up companies or protecting the interests of Silicon Valley. You have no sway. You are just cannon fodder.
Some more venom-filled paragraphs exceeded the copyright limit. Visit the link and enjoy (except for the Musk worship)
Completely predictable. He rolled in the hay with the tech bros, got his hacked election, got his entree into the slimy world of crypto and "Thanks for the ride, my true love is the maga troglodytes. And money., money, money.
Dumb Shits.
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Repost: No trump, you got Vance.
The Bitcoin Coup: How Crypto Accelerationists Engineered America's Financial Collapse
Posted without comment (except at the end)
FWIW, I'm ready to join the "impeach Vance" movement. He'll cross some line. It's quite the rage.
https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-bitcoin-coup-how-crypto-accelerationists
JD Vance and the Tech Oligarchs Who Want to Burn Down the Dollar
MIKE BROCK
JUL 23, 2025
There are conspiracies that sound too outrageous to believe, and then there are conspiracies so brazen that they hide in plain sight, documented in government filings and boasted about on podcasts. What Im about to expose falls into the latter category: a systematic effort by some of Americas most powerful tech billionaires to accelerate the collapse of the American financial system because they believe theyll profit from the chaos that follows.
This isnt speculation. This isnt connecting dots that dont exist. This is based on direct conversations with people inside this movement, people who have explicitly told me that they view the destruction of the dollar as both inevitable and desirable, who see the suffering of ordinary Americans during financial collapse as an acceptable cost for achieving their vision of a Bitcoin-dominated economy, who have positioned JD Vance as their primary vehicle for implementing policies they know will undermine American monetary stability.
To understand how we reached this momentwhere crypto accelerationists are actively working to engineer dollar collapse from within the highest levels of governmentwe need to trace the intellectual evolution I documented in The Plot Against America. What began as abstract criticism of democratic institutions during the 2008 financial crisis has become a concrete blueprint for dismantling them through cryptocurrency-enabled financial sabotage.
The Philosophical Foundation
Peter Thiels own public statements reveal the framework driving this project. Speaking at Libertopia in 2010, he described PayPals founding vision as an attempt to overturn the monetary system of the world. He continued: We could never win an election, but technology could unilaterally change the world. In 2021, he declared that Bitcoin is the most honest market we have in the country. Its a canary in the coal mine. It tells us that this decrepit regime is about to blow up.
My comment, shared earlier: (repost
The Musk/Silicon Valley (much of it) elitist vision.
Reboot' Revealed: Elon Musk's CEO-Dictator Playbook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220003654
Silicon Valley Whistleblowers Warn Elon Musk 'Hijacking' Republicans to Control Entire US Government
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220008207
These posts contain, or link to, important understanding of the twisted mentality of Elon and company.