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They seem nice

Gaines in particular I see mocked frequently for his sexist drivel.

It clear antisemitism.

antisemitism?

Not all Jewish people believe in Zionism. So I would say yes it stops being a clear case of antisemitism. It could certainly be an insinuation of antisemitism but not a clear case. There are many cases of people who believe in Zionism that are not Jewish as well.

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I dont believe in Zionism even though I think the Jewish people have a right to live in peace wherever they are. Does that make me antisemitic?

No one has a right, and has that right over others to live someplace their ancestors lived. That is an absurd concept. Does that make me antisemitic. My DNA says I'm from the Levant, I am not Jewish. Do I have a right to go over there and take land and live there? Can I kick anyone I want off land that I say is mine by birthright and religion?

That Jewish people have a 'right to a homeland?'

If not why not?

No right to remove others from their thousand year old home.

If a Jewish person is born in America do they not have a "homeland". If not then me being born in America would mean that I do not have a homeland. Am I entitled to a homeland that my ancestors came from then?

I have never had a desire to live anywhere else (except since Trump came into power).
But if living in the US means that I will be persecuted, then I want a safe place where I can go.

Jerusalem is important to Jewish people, the first and second Tempe were built there- it's where we face when we pray - just as Muslims face Mecca.

There is a history of our people in what is now Israel, why should we not consider it as our original homeland as a People especially since our People have been persecuted throughout history.

There are several Islamic countries - no one seems to mind that. These countries that were conquered by Muslims
who forced their residents to convert to Islam. No outcry there. Same with Christian conquests.

It's late....I'm starting to ramble.....

For your first point (a safe place where I can go) I think the numbers show you are safer here in the US than in Israel. The whole hamas attack that killed over a thousand people plus the rockets they kept shooting that closed large parts of Israel kind of overshadows anything happening here in the US.

"Jerusalem is important to Jewish people", that is a religious thing. If Religion is a reason why the Jewish people should be there then as an atheist I am automatically against that in principle. I don't think religion gives anyone a right over others at all.

Many people have a history in another place and many of them have been persecuted throughout history.

"There are several Islamic countries" Do you think it is right for a country that has a state sponsored religion? I don't.

They believe that the Jewish people need a homeland where they can feel safe and the State of Israel is that.
The recent uptick in antisemitism attests to it - no?

History tells us that there will always be people who want to kill us.
I can tell you that it sucks to grow up with that and I really don't understand why.

You can find polls where most Jewish people support the state of Israel, but I support the state of Israel as far as existing mainly because it already does and I don't support getting rid of it. I don't believe in Zionism but I still support the state of Israel existing so the poll that show that the majority of Jewish people supporting the state of Israel I believe doesn't show that they support Zionism necessarily. As far as where a Jewish person can feel safe I feel pretty correct in saying that they are much more safe in the US than in Israel in light of recent events of the past say 4 years.Antisemitism is indeed a problem, but I think that the antisemitism faced by Jewish people in the US is far less and far less lethal than the antisemitism the Jewish people face in the Middle East. So the being safe thing doesn't make any sense to me and seems to be a false argument.

of persecution and genocide for generations upon generations.
For heaven's sake we were blamed for the Black Plague!

Something goes wrong?
Blame the Jews. Yes, I do believe it can happen here.
Just look at recent politics in the US. Did you ever believe that one insane person could become a cult leader
that would destroy our democracy - well it's happening now. Did German Jews believe that a Hitler could come into power?
Well, we have his protege in power now. Yes, needing a safe place is important to us because every time we thought we were safe there was some catastrophe - and guess who was blamed.

Unfortunately the Ultra Orthodox and right wing have taken power over Israel - my only hope is that they get taken down.
I have never been to Israel and I have no desire to go - but I want it there just in case...

I mean the numbers show it is not.

We would not stand for that at all and protect them. I think the by far majority of Americans would do that and we would do it in the extreme if needed.

really. Do you think that the US would take in an infinite number of Jewish refugees if Israel is eradicated or the need refuge if there were pogroms again in Europe?

The US did turn away Jewish people during the Holocaust who were seeking asylum.
Don't say it can't happen. I know that anything can happen -it's in my DNA.

As an aside: I do not think that any of this excuses the actions of the Netanyahu contingent in Israel.

But based on history and the numbers Jewish people have been safer in the US than Israel, by a far margin. No I don't think we would take an an infinite number of Jewish refugees just like we wouldn't take an infinite number of Ukrainian refugees or British ones or,,,,,,,,. At this point, in this time in history, on this date at this hour do you think you would be safer in Israel than the US?

But then again Jewish people in Europe are not as protected and one would assume that the quota for taking in Jewish refugees from Europe and the Middle East would be far below what may be needed. I don't fear for only myself but for my people. Antisemitism in Europe is on the rise.

Palestinians who were displaced at Israel's creation may be upset but that was their forefather's choice. Many Palestinian Arabs chose to stay in Israel and are citizens, even serving in the IDF.

You know the history of the area and you know that Palestinians living in the area were warned by bordering Arab nations that they were going to attack Israel - so they fled hoping the Jewish people would be driven out or killed. The Arab nations lost that war - and now we have the situation that exists. I know this is simplistic but I believe it to be true. It doesn't matter that Jews in bordering countries were driven out, their lands confiscated some time after the inception of Israel - it did happen. Where's the outrage there? Can they return to their ancestral homes? Israel took them in - unfortunately the Arab nations did not embrace displaced Palestinians - no need to blame Israel and Jewish people around the globe for that.

The issue is not as simple as some would think.

I'm honestly dismayed by the attitude by some people here is that Palestinians=good no matter what they do and, Israelis/Jews=evil.

BTW this is sarcasm

BTW they won't be

BTW they never cared about "antisemitism", they cared about stopping students from being liberal because they actually learn things.

This is par for the course on Rumble where people can " exercise their free speech" -

I will also add that the problem lies with these platforms. They have made hate profitable. So people are just getting online, spewing hate, telling lies and getting rich doing it.
At some point when democrats have all the levers of power, something has to be done to hold platforms accountable.

The people who are labeling those who speak out strongly against Israel in respect to their actions in Gaza as promoting antisemitism, need to read the Boy who Cried Wolf. Pointing out that by many definitions, Israel is committing war crimes is not , on its face, antisemitic. Israel is being lead by some vile human beings who have taken that country to a very dark place.

Hamas is just as bad. Condemning Israel does not mean that I in any way support Hamas’s actions towards Israel.

But consider the source... Anyone who says mindless shite like that is Incurably Stupid.

They're also extremely dangerous.. "Hitler wanted t save the world".. Fuckers don't know history England, France & America( Back when it wan't Fascist) Saved the World's Democracy.

Snip*** from your link..

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It seems there has always been a reason “it is their own fault”

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and went way back in history, much behind the second world war....

It's one thing to espouse nonsense but another thing entirely to subscribe to it.

Myron is not the problem, it's the 1.5 million subscribers that are the issue.