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struggle4progress

(124,695 posts)
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 08:29 AM Jul 27

Victims Say Ghislaine Was Even Worse

... Tara Palmeri, who has reported extensively on the two, told The Daily Beast Podcast that narratives online that Maxwell is being “persecuted just because she’s a woman” are “extremely frustrating.”

“She assaulted a lot of the girls,” Palmeri told host Joanna Coles. “I mean, she did that herself. She was with him, sexually assaulting them, on top of grooming them.”

“When I talk to a lot of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein, so many of them are actually even more angry at Ghislaine Maxwell than they are at Jeffrey, because they feel that she used the fact that she was a woman to lure them in,” added Palmeri, who hosted the Broken: Jeffrey Epstein podcast.

“Because little girls don’t just show up on a 50-year-old man’s doorstep. They were brought in by a woman who not only was posh, well-educated, elegant, spoke well, showed interest in them, wanted to show mentorship, promised them that she could fulfil their dreams” ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/why-epstein-victims-ghislaine-even-025010141.html

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Victims Say Ghislaine Was Even Worse (Original Post) struggle4progress Jul 27 OP
Why would anybody believe one word out of her mouth? Botany Jul 27 #1
I'm wondering the same thing. SheltieLover Jul 27 #2
But expect after she is "interviewed" by Trump's attorney much of the media will repeat what she says as .. Botany Jul 27 #3
" after paying Jeffery Epstein " speak easy Jul 28 #19
Trump only cares what his MAGA moron base believes, whatever tall tale Maxwell tells will be tailored to satisfy them. sop Jul 27 #4
Now Maxwell is being groomed by our own DOJ department. Nixie Jul 27 #6
I'm guessing TheFarseer Jul 27 #5
I never thought of Epstein and her as doing any of this to make money Maraya1969 Jul 27 #9
Epstein made his money by charging his rich clients* to have sex with girls and by blackmailing them too. Botany Jul 27 #13
No, it was surely a blackmail operation, enticing them to invest their money out of fear and favor lostnfound Jul 28 #20
Really? Chi67 Jul 27 #10
Donald will probably offer her a cabinet position mdbl Jul 27 #7
Sarcasm not needed KentuckyWoman Jul 27 #8
Old Tubbs would vote to confirm the paedo Celerity Jul 27 #11
New Dept popsdenver Jul 27 #12
How cynical and desperate does one need to be to even attempt to portray this monster Passages Jul 27 #14
She would approach young girls (some she just saw on the street) and tell them how pretty they are. Midnight Writer Jul 27 #15
As Newsmax and other RW sources have been trying to start the meme that Liberal In Texas Jul 27 #16
Maxwell treated these victims as sex slaves LetMyPeopleVote Jul 27 #17
I have no doubt this is true. Makes me wonder Joinfortmill Jul 28 #18

Botany

(75,398 posts)
1. Why would anybody believe one word out of her mouth?
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 08:33 AM
Jul 27

She made money in sex trafficking of minors as part of an international criminal syndicate and
has already been found guilty of perjury.

Botany

(75,398 posts)
3. But expect after she is "interviewed" by Trump's attorney much of the media will repeat what she says as ..
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 08:43 AM
Jul 27

…. gospel. Trump raped underaged girls after paying Jeffery Epstein to do so and he paid
Maxwell for helping get and groom the young women. I also think Putin was involved in this
criminal operation after all many of the girls were from Russia and Eastern Europe.

If there was real justice Trump would be in prison right now for all kinds of crimes.

speak easy

(12,398 posts)
19. " after paying Jeffery Epstein "
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 08:18 AM
Jul 28

No. I believe Krasnov was a full blown partner (so to speak). He was in on the grift.

sop

(16,237 posts)
4. Trump only cares what his MAGA moron base believes, whatever tall tale Maxwell tells will be tailored to satisfy them.
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 09:02 AM
Jul 27

Ghislaine will weave a lie-filled story to fuel all their pedophelia conspiracy theories about "elite Democrats," and corporate media will dutifully report her accusations. It will all be just another sordid media spectacle.

Nixie

(17,850 posts)
6. Now Maxwell is being groomed by our own DOJ department.
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jul 27

Just say “the Democrats” and she’s a free bird.

TheFarseer

(9,671 posts)
5. I'm guessing
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 09:27 AM
Jul 27

MAGA will believe her completely if she exonerates Trump and raise the same points you did if she implicates him.

Maraya1969

(23,354 posts)
9. I never thought of Epstein and her as doing any of this to make money
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 10:59 AM
Jul 27

If they did how did they do it? And if so shouldn't there be receipts?

I always thought Epstein was so wealthy he just invited his friends to take part in his perversions.

Botany

(75,398 posts)
13. Epstein made his money by charging his rich clients* to have sex with girls and by blackmailing them too.
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 12:28 PM
Jul 27

One of his bank accounts had 1.1 billion dollars worth of transactions. Epstein had connections to
Putin and many of the girls be trafficked were from Russia. Maxwell helped to procure the girls and
no doubt Melania who herself was a sex worker and was introduced to Trump by Epstein was well
aware of what was going on.

This all goes back to Trump, Russia, stolen elections, bribery, money laundering, and international
criminal syndicates of which Putin is the Godfather.

* one of Epstein’s big clients was The Limited’s Les Werner of Columbus, OH and is well known for his
fondness for young boys.

lostnfound

(17,217 posts)
20. No, it was surely a blackmail operation, enticing them to invest their money out of fear and favor
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 05:24 PM
Jul 28

If you are rich, you can afford to park a few million with some investments manager, no problem.

The crass way of blackmail would be: i have pictures, you pay me $100,000 in cash or I send them everywhere.
The safer, smoother way of blackmail is to say: “hey, there’s another party happening next weekend like the last one, sound like a good time? Yeah? Hey, if you’ve got the time to spare, let’s have lunch while you’re here because I’ve got some good business opportunities I’d like to let you in on. Should be a good return, in on the ground floor…”

Now, if you’ve invest $5 million of your $50 million in an investment portfolio with this guy, he invites you to the kind of parties you like, and it’s no worry for you if the return on your investment seems a little low in that account because you have a good time and he invites a lot of important people, so you get fringe benefits of various sorts..

Decent investments average 12%, 14% for many of these years, if you are in the know, and have enough . Maybe Epstein charged 3% fees instead of 1%, and he doesn’t get the greatest returns for you because he is using your money for a lot of other purposes (like float), but are you going to complain to the guy that’s got pictures? As long as he treats you like a normal guy and doesn’t judge you, brings you what you want. So Epstein can pocket 3%x $5 million = $150,000 from you, but he might be skimming a lot more through various legal means, as long as you don’t care if you’re just getting 5%. Do this year after year and it adds up.

Leon Black paid Epstein $158 million for “tax and estate planning services”. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did-jeffrey-epstein-make-his-money/ Do you think that those “services” were competitively sourced? No more than the billions that the Saudis handed to Jared Kushner.

Chi67

(1,248 posts)
10. Really?
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 11:18 AM
Jul 27

If she says what MAGAs want to hear, they’ll believe her, and go right back to worshipping Trump. Seriously, why does anyone give MAGAs the benefit of the doubt anymore?

KentuckyWoman

(7,294 posts)
8. Sarcasm not needed
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 10:58 AM
Jul 27

He's made no secret he wants to dismantle the federal government, destroy any power in Congress and if he could, get rid of the Judiciary all together.

He put someone against public schools over the department of education. He put someone against modern medicine in charge of HHS ... and on and on and on. It's on brand for him if he puts a child abuser in charge of children.

Passages

(3,646 posts)
14. How cynical and desperate does one need to be to even attempt to portray this monster
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 12:31 PM
Jul 27

as a gender victim?

The privilege she experienced and still is sickens me.

Midnight Writer

(24,783 posts)
15. She would approach young girls (some she just saw on the street) and tell them how pretty they are.
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 12:56 PM
Jul 27

She would tell them they should be models and give them her business cards. She would set them up to be "interviewed" by professionals. She would invite them to exclusive parties and pageants. They would be paraded in front of filthy-rich perverts.

Then, after she had her hooks in them, after these girls were given a glimpse of a glamourous, prosperous future, she explained that the girls had to "be nice" to these men or it would all go away. "Be nice" turned into being molested, abused, raped. We don't know the true extent of what happened to these children, and we probably never will.

Girls 12, 13, 14 years old.

Hell isn't hot enough or deep enough for this monster.

Liberal In Texas

(15,657 posts)
16. As Newsmax and other RW sources have been trying to start the meme that
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 01:04 PM
Jul 27

she was a victim as much as the girls.

This is so much BS, the woman is a rapist and a monster. And the stories like in the OP need to be spread far and wide over and over.



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