I'm sick of our side having to be "nice", and just letting republicons have everything

And in safe states like CA, what is the point of being scared of your own shadow?

Newsom is determined to do this in California.

I agree it's long past time to go partisan but is it winnable and is it good for the country?

And that includes Texas. Each time you push farther, you open up a flank for a loss of a "safe" seat.

I don't like the idea of trying to rig elections. But I like even less the idea of standing by while only one side does it.

the Republicans. Another term for it: survival.

redistrict to favor Democratic Party candidates, doesn't that pretty much force Texas to do it? And would that sentiment extend throughout a lot of states that tend red?

what do you suggest? Let them gerrymander red states further and sigh when we lose congress over and over and over, because we follow rules that no longer work or even apply?

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keeping our figurative powder dry is how we got here. It's time to use the power that voters gave us.

...it's far better use use our metaphorical "powder" now than to be forced to use real powder later because if we don't turn this around, that's going to be the only alternative, if History teaches us anything...

exactly.

The only "rules" Texas has is the Voting Rights Act. And we all know where the VRA is going...

Texas is gonna Texas, so Blue states should beat them at their own game. There are several blue states and only one Texas (thank all the gods that may be!) so we should go for it NOW!

The Republicans made this their M.O. when Lamebrain Limbaugh was dictating party policy. Yes, do it.

If we'd been this bold when we had control of Congress in 2020-22, we could have packed that damn Supreme Court, overturned Citizens United and the immunity ruling, saved Roe and expitited Trump's trials, getting the document theft case out of Corrupt Cannon's court, shutting down the delays in his insurrection trial and he'd be in prison now instead of the White House. So when we have a chance to pre-empt something they've done, do it. I'd add Illinois into that group, it is possible to gerrymander this state to the point where there are no GOP seats at all.

sounds like the orange man is demanding that more red states redistrict as well.

It’s common sense that if Texas redistricts to gain added congressional seats we must do the same in CA and NY.

I hope he follows through.

The redistricting is done by a Commission that was set up by a state ballot measure. That doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that'd be easy to get around.

or any other legal way to do so, it should be pursued IMO.

To remove the citizens districting commission from the state constitution. The Republican Party there has already vowed to sue if that’s attempted of course.

Could probably not go on the ballot until next November.

But it wouldn't be till 2026.

Anything statewide must come from the legislature.

If all red states made their Congressional delegation red and blue states made their delegations blue...

The GOP would have a commanding 41 seat majority in the House.

Be careful what you wish for.

and judges stopped them. We have honest judges. It won't be allowed in blue states. It will be allowed in red states where the judges are too partisan to follow the law or implement any kind of fairness.

Any appeal to SCOTUS will help Republicans and hurt Dems.

It's not a level playing field.

If we try again, it needs to be in response to Texas doing it and that needs to be the precedent. It might not work, but doing it pre-emptively will make us the instigators. There is no end to red states who can follow suit with impunity.

regard is very appealing given the position our country is in. So long as we take the highroad, we will continue to be steamrolled ... conceivably into submission.

I'd say let's give it a go in every blue State. How about here in Oregon?

Now, I am primarily able to discuss boxing. But in terms of the street fights I was ever in, I can say that the last thing any guy heard after telling me, "you hit me first" was my left hook sizzling towards his jaw. That generally ended it, as when they regained consciousness, they didn't want to fight any more.

Now, of course I am advocating hitting the maga cultists non-violently. After all, I am non-violent, though I do like landing a few combinations on one of the heavy bags here. My younger son has one indoors and one on the lawn for me, and comments that I am delivering combinations faster and harder since the 2024 election.

Party should be too.

I say let's beat them to the punch and do this in every blue State.

Edit: Oh, and by the way, are you a leftie H2O Man?

Governor Murphy has stated he would lead it.

If he signals (and he has) to the Assembly and Senate - they could easily pull together a commission and get it done.

and if one doesnt then replace them with someone with the balls to do it...

they "redistrict" all the time and get away with it. The only way to win is to beat them at their own game. It's not like they are ever going to "follow the rules" unless it benefits them.

the MAGA bait and suggesting that we behave exactly like they are accusing us of.
Being right is always the priority. I see no valid reason for us to start behaving like them.

then hell yeah. It's how I've always felt. MAGATS COUNT on us 'playing nice.'

We have things in place which prevent us from easily doing it the way they do in Texas.

Democrats need to stop taking the "high road" with these FASCIST FREAKS

They would first have to dismantle those, then do the redistricting I think. The LWV doesn't think any of that will happen. I asked my local current and former presidents and in meeting with state LWV leaders that point was made.

in the face of a "blue wave"....

that would be ok with me. I think they may fuck themselves...


And YES, Democratic controlled states should reciprocate---
and likely be safer to do so for 2026....


(Actually if Republicans want to gerrymander another 5 or 8 seats for 2026,
I think that is a lot less than they need.... Dems flipped 40 seats in 2018....)

I don't like sports or sports analogies, normally, but say you have two teams playing basketball. The red team keeps tripping the blue team players, or knocking them down on the floor hard, then stepping on their arm to get them to release the ball. There are no referees willing to call foul.

Sure the blue team is taking the high road, and playing fair. Yes, that's admirable in a way, but there's no way the blues are going to win the game, in the long run. Unless the blue team is willing to show the red team, they're willing to push back harder, and they're tired of the red teams shit, and make the reds eat their own shit.