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PCIntern

(27,506 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:51 AM Saturday

Yeah...I've been thinking....outside the "box"...

(That was not intended to be a misogynistic pun. Anyone who thinks so may need therapy)

It’s not a heterosexual sexual circumstance or encounter per se that he is afraid of, nor of any “perversion” which might come to mind. He has had adulterous relationships with numerous women including a porn star and a Playboy centerfold, which, contrary to popular belief, accounts for a lot of his popularity among males and females. Don’t kid yourself… I’ve been a heterosexual male for 72 years generally in the company of heterosexual males, and I know what I’m talking about.

No, there’s something else going on or went on and there are just a few categories which would scare the crap out of this guy. I have four in mind: Homosexuality, Bestiality, Mutilation, and Murder.

As an aside , I was sitting on the beach last week, sunning myself, and I was looking at the thousands of people surrounding me, a few with Trump flags flanked by American flags, which annoys the living shit out of me, but that’s a story for another day. Anyway, I thought to myself: these people, these masses, these human beings with hopes, feelings, dreams, intellect, and inner being, mean absolutely nothing to the relatively few individuals who are in control of this country, no more than a single cow or a bull would be significant in a herd of 250,000 to a rancher. All these people, with their lives, their loves, their families, their contributions in the workplace, All that is meaningless to these amoral individuals. If a job is lost, a home and an automobile is foreclosed upon, if medicines cannot be afforded, or a vital life-saving procedure cannot be undertaken in a hospital and death will ensue, it matters not to the upper crust.

I once had a conversation with a very, very rich man who was a self-described Nixon Republican, who said to me earnestly that when a general plans a war campaign, he knows he’s going to lose a fair number of soldiers in that effort. His job is to first win the campaign and second to perform the action with a few losses as possible, except, and he laughed when he said this, General Patton. And so he went onto to describe his feelings about the social climate… That many would live, someone would die, and there would naturally be suffering, and this is the price you pay for civilization as we know it. His explanation was performed with a perfectly calm, rational-appearing visage, and I did what I always do in those situations, I nodded and smiled. What else is there to do or say?

And so this is how the upper crust can live with the president and live with themselves. This is how they think now as far as my earlier point about men admiring him for his “ romantic (sic) conquests” I’ll tell you a short story: in my junior year in high school I had a prom date who got sick, terribly sick, four days before the prom. She was definitely not going. My mother had a friend at her work who said that she knew a young lady who probably would be happy to attend with me and so I, with great nervousness, called her up, since I had never called a girl whom I didn’t know before. We had a very pleasant conversation, she agreed to come and be my date for the night. Her parents drove her down from Northern Jersey, and when I opened the door to greet her, she was arguably the most beautiful girl I had ever seen in my life, all dressed up and made up. When I showed up at the prom with her every guy, including the jocks, the heavy duty druggies, all the guys who wouldn’t say boo to me, came over and literally shook my hand and said that they were impressed and words to that effect. After that night, I was the most popular man on campus so to speak, everywhere I went for the rest of the time I was in school, over a year, these guys would say hi to me or engage me in conversation.

It was one of the most bizarre experiences of my very bizarre life. Anyone who thinks that there are a tremendous number of people who are admiring of him because of his lady friends, or women who lust to be one of his conquest, is on the right track to understand his popularity, such as it is, right at this moment and before. The expression “sex sells“ embraces more than advertising cars or cosmetics. This Epstein story is undoubtedly extraordinary in scope and ramifications and I believe that to chronicle Epstein, you would require an encyclopedic length of writing and..AND I feel compelled to add that I have little doubt that he was a product of the Intelligence Agencies of the nation. There is no other explanation for the combination of money, access to International power structures as well as our own to the highest levels. His functions were multifaceted and in addition, he was apparently according to some, scientifically brilliant and aware of certain intricacies of technology and physics which were extremely esoteric. He wasn’t just a guy with an overactive dick.

No it’s not a “conspiracy theory” in pejorative terms, it is more than likely. Think about it before you reject it wholesale.

Have a terrific weekend.

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Yeah...I've been thinking....outside the "box"... (Original Post) PCIntern Saturday OP
I hear you. nt intrepidity Saturday #1
"He wasn't just a guy with an overactive dick." 58Sunliner Saturday #2
Yes and please let me add PCIntern Saturday #3
So that is to sort of postulate there is a Deepest State bucolic_frolic Saturday #4
They're projecting their secret, and not so secret, desires onto him. usonian Saturday #5
You've given me something a bit different to think about this morning, for sure.... Hekate Saturday #6
No coincidences with these people PCIntern Saturday #7
It is common for high placed criminals to involve accomplices in their crimes harumph Saturday #8
Ex-actly PCIntern Saturday #9
What have your confidential sources said re Epstein? Kid Berwyn Saturday #10
There is a whole world with which PCIntern Saturday #11

58Sunliner

(5,902 posts)
2. "He wasn't just a guy with an overactive dick."
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:04 AM
Saturday

No, he was a sociopath, a pedophilic predator, and mentally ill. The ability of a male dominated society to compartmentalize garbage like him says volumes about the status of children and specifically females.

PCIntern

(27,506 posts)
3. Yes and please let me add
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:15 AM
Saturday

that the nature of so-called righteous individuals is to wholly specialize this guy when to the rest of us there’s clear-cut pathology present. But see, the “rule” is that you are not permitted to diagnose as a lay person or from a distance even if you are a professional. That allows individuals like Epstein to be painted in these most simplistic terms. I agree with your diagnosis, but would say that there are other comorbidities, which amplify them beyond the usual

bucolic_frolic

(51,618 posts)
4. So that is to sort of postulate there is a Deepest State
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:20 AM
Saturday

beyond BDSM that was useful to someone or some enterprise or some department.

That's not a lot to hang a theory on but it is an alternative filter to consider as events unfold.

usonian

(19,352 posts)
5. They're projecting their secret, and not so secret, desires onto him.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:32 AM
Saturday

Do you remember “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous?”

Well, in the current dredging up of our playboy lord, Robin Leach was in the photos.

They’re jealous and afraid of losing the smidgeon of privilege they enjoy (for being freakin white) and admiring the privilege of the rich and famous, even up to “Droit du seigneur” the royal right to rape.

More here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20514515

Hekate

(98,677 posts)
6. You've given me something a bit different to think about this morning, for sure....
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:25 PM
Saturday

What do you think of Ghislaine Maxwell’s part in all this? Was her hooking up with Epstein simply a happy happenstance, or was there more to it?

I listened to the MSNBC interview with Miami journalist Julie Brown yesterday, and the client she had with her said GM was the most predatory person she had ever dealt with, and was certain GM was the mastermind in procuring the girls, keeping them in with promises and chilling threats, and inventing the pyramid scheme that induced the girls to recruit other girls.

What an utterly nightmarish web…

PCIntern

(27,506 posts)
7. No coincidences with these people
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:07 PM
Saturday

Her father was one of the most influential people in the world- and I’ve met people like this who operate on a much smaller scale than Maxwell- the women are for want of a better term, unbelievably seductive. Beyond we normal people’s comprehension. Trust me…

harumph

(2,878 posts)
8. It is common for high placed criminals to involve accomplices in their crimes
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:50 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Jul 26, 2025, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

...or other crimes, or, document a member who willingly agrees to participate in repellent behavior (which is of course is documented and securely saved) as the price of admission (access to other wealthy channels) such that they won't turn on one another. a mexican standoff of a sort but with incriminating information - not guns. this is a time honored mafia practice, and (I believe) also with some very elite fraternities. So, no, I wouldn't be surprised if T participated in a snuff film or something almost as egregious so that he could gain access to no-questions-asked bank loans. he would forever be in the power of the information holder, no?

Kid Berwyn

(21,496 posts)
10. What have your confidential sources said re Epstein?
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 03:45 PM
Saturday

Craig Unger ties the “take” to the Mafiya and their spooky bosses in the worlds of wet work.



From Russia(to Jeffrey), with Love

The Epstein saga is even more interesting when you look at the Russian women who helped run his operation. Here's a look at Svetlana Pozhidaeva.


Craig Unger
Jul 21, 2025

EXCERPT...

Raised in a Moscow apartment complex built for staffers of the NKVD, the Stalinist precursor of the KGB, Pozhidaeva was educated at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO), the prestigious academy run by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that is a training ground for Russian diplomats and intelligence officials. Reputed to be the most elite university in the country, MGIMO has been dubbed the “Harvard of Russia” by Henry Kissinger because it has trained so many figures in Russia’s political, intellectual, and financial elite.

According to the Italian edition of Maxim, Lana gave up a promising tennis career at the age of sixteen to become the youngest freshman at MGIMO, where she graduated with the equivalent of summa cum laude, having mastered, along the way, French, English, Italian, and Spanish, as if she were on course to join the Foreign Ministry.

But then her career took a bizarre turn. Her stellar academic credentials notwithstanding, Pozhidaeva somehow ended up becoming a model who was represented by MC2, a modeling agency owned by Epstein-pimp-to-be Jean-Luc Brunel. Known as “le fantôme” (the ghost), Brunel was the subject of a 1988 piece that aired on CBS’s 60 Minutes in which several young models accused him of drugging their drinks, groping them sexually, and rape. The CBS reporter, Craig Pyes, told Michael Gross. the author of Model: The Ugly Truth of Beautiful Women, that Brunel “ranks among the sleaziest people in the fashion industry. We’re talking about a conveyor belt, not a casting couch. Hundreds of girls were not only harassed but molested.”

SNIP...

“What was most striking about Pozhidaeva was that she had a terrific academic career in Russia and then threw it away on something completely unrelated. She attended, as she says, a top college in Russia, like Stanford in the United States,” said Shvets. “And she was a straight‑­ A student. This is important to understand. She sacrificed four years and then two more years for a master’s degree. It’s an achievement.”

But suddenly after this, Shvets noted, “She says, ‘Fuck it all. Fuck my previous six years. Fuck everything I was doing.’ I mean, it’s­ amazing— it just does not happen in real life.”

“Of course, we know what Epstein was doing with the ladies. But in this particular case,” Shvets told me, “Epstein takes her and introduces her to renowned American and international scientists.”

CONTINUES...

https://substack.com/inbox/post/168787871

Roy Cohn taught the orange traitor how to play the game.

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