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gab13by13

(29,087 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:22 AM Saturday

Without Ghislaine Maxwell There Would Not Have Been A Jeffrey Epstein

I believe that statement was made by attorney Bradley Edwards who represented 5 of the Epstein victims, now down to 3. One overdosed and the other committed suicide.

Maxwell was chic and had the ability to convince little girls that she could make them models or get them to college, she could convince little girls where a man could not.

Maxwell was a monster who recruited the little girls for Epstein, without her there would not be a Jeffrey Epstein, and Democrats need to spread that message when Maxwell comes out with her lying statements.

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Without Ghislaine Maxwell There Would Not Have Been A Jeffrey Epstein (Original Post) gab13by13 Saturday OP
Girls run away from creepy men. Kid Berwyn Saturday #1
Absolutely, gab13by13 Saturday #2
That's how they work it. Blue Full Moon Saturday #15
That's a broad bullshit statement that conveniently lets the men off the hook. CrispyQ Saturday #3
That statement was made by Bradley Edwards gab13by13 Saturday #8
I don't care who said it, it's bullshit & IMO it does imply that Epstein isn't as culpable as Maxwell. -nt CrispyQ Saturday #11
Taken on it's face, yes it's bullshit AZJonnie Saturday #13
the 'over the top' (misleading if you will) part of the statement remains stopdiggin Saturday #14
Well remember it was also in the context of a trial against Maxwell, and Epstein was dead AZJonnie Saturday #16
yeah - hyberbole - from the mouth of a lawyer ... quelle surprise! stopdiggin Saturday #17
That a fellow female would/could/did enable the exploitation... 3catwoman3 Saturday #4
Maxwell was Epstein's procurer and groomer. sop Saturday #5
Nope Nope Nope gab13by13 Saturday #9
Alan has said H2O Man Saturday #22
The textbook definition of prostitution is accepting money for sexual favors AZJonnie Saturday #23
She allegedly also assaulted them herself, according to one of the victims I heard on MSNBC. femmedem Saturday #10
Yes, but if it weren't Ghislane it would have been someone else TexasBushwhacker Saturday #12
You are absolutely right! jrthin Saturday #6
Trump is her enabler, that's even worse. CoopersDad Saturday #7
Newsmax out there saying she's the real victim IronLionZion Saturday #18
It just occurred to me that BattleRow Saturday #19
Bradley Edwards has represented over 200 of Epstein's victims Wiz Imp Saturday #20
Way recommended! H2O Man Saturday #21

Kid Berwyn

(21,572 posts)
1. Girls run away from creepy men.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:25 AM
Saturday

Girls trust “nice” women with rich friends who can “help.”

gab13by13

(29,087 posts)
2. Absolutely,
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:30 AM
Saturday

in a way Maxwell was worse than Epstein, and Magats are now calling her a victim. I hope to fuck that lie doesn't take hold.

CrispyQ

(40,037 posts)
3. That's a broad bullshit statement that conveniently lets the men off the hook.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:32 AM
Saturday

Not every sex trafficking ring has a woman assistant. She's scum, just as bad as they are, but men like this would have found a way without her.

gab13by13

(29,087 posts)
8. That statement was made by Bradley Edwards
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:49 AM
Saturday

an attorney who represented 5 victims at the trial. He told the stories about what Maxwell did to and how she did it to enslave little girls. Maxwell was involved in many of the sexual assaults.

Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster who enabled Jeffrey Epstein.

I stand by reposting what Bradley Edwards said, it in no way lets Epstein off the hook.

CrispyQ

(40,037 posts)
11. I don't care who said it, it's bullshit & IMO it does imply that Epstein isn't as culpable as Maxwell. -nt
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:17 AM
Saturday

AZJonnie

(1,109 posts)
13. Taken on it's face, yes it's bullshit
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:44 PM
Saturday

But I think the intended insinuation was that the scope of his crimes would've been much smaller and therefore the scale of the 'Epstein Story' would've been much more limited. IOW it's 'the story', more so than 'the man' that's meant by 'there'd be no Epstein'.

And in that context it's probably mostly true. She recruited a LOT of his teen victims, nearly all the ones we've ever heard from, and I'm sure the presence of a woman there like her made them feel 'safer' going to Epstein's houses than they ever would have if it was him trying to lure them there.

They are BOTH monsters and she was a very major facilitator and accomplice in his crimes.

stopdiggin

(14,106 posts)
14. the 'over the top' (misleading if you will) part of the statement remains
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:58 PM
Saturday

"there would be no .." And, that, is frankly just not true. These people have always found a way ...

We don't have to minimize Maxwell's part in any way - in order to continue to insist that Epstein was the engine ....

AZJonnie

(1,109 posts)
16. Well remember it was also in the context of a trial against Maxwell, and Epstein was dead
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:09 PM
Saturday

I already stipulated that taken on its face its bullshit, but viewed in the context in which it was said, it's not hard to glean what was actually intended by the speaker

stopdiggin

(14,106 posts)
17. yeah - hyberbole - from the mouth of a lawyer ... quelle surprise!
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:14 PM
Saturday

My argument probably goes to the OP - for digging it back up as today's clickbait.

3catwoman3

(27,271 posts)
4. That a fellow female would/could/did enable the exploitation...
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:35 AM
Saturday

...of other females is beyond abhorrent.

sop

(15,347 posts)
5. Maxwell was Epstein's procurer and groomer.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:39 AM
Saturday

Procurer - A person who procures women or girls as prostitutes. Groomer - Someone who develops a relationship with a child with the intention of trying to persuade them to have a sexual relationship.

gab13by13

(29,087 posts)
9. Nope Nope Nope
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:51 AM
Saturday

14 year old girls are not prostitutes, that's what Alan Dershowitz called them. They were victims of sex trafficking.

AZJonnie

(1,109 posts)
23. The textbook definition of prostitution is accepting money for sexual favors
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:46 PM
Saturday

Let me clear here, from the standpoint of disparagingly referring to the victims as 'prostitutes', then absolutely yes, that's a bullshit thing to do. If you are not old enough to 'consent' (which 14 is not) then any sex (unless you're in their age group) is statutory rape

However, all of the victims were paid in exchange for sexual favors, that's why a number of them returned to the Epstein house, in some cases many times, over months or even years. It's uncomfortable to ponder, but it's factual, and testified to by the victims.

So, again, while calling a 14 yo victim 'a prostitute' is fucked up and wrong, at the same time, it's not inaccurate to say Maxwell identified, then lured and groomed the girls into a life of prostitution. That was her 'job' and that's what she did. They themselves were not 'prostitutes' they were victims, but the pattern of behavior meets the definition of 'prostitution', if that makes sense?

femmedem

(8,524 posts)
10. She allegedly also assaulted them herself, according to one of the victims I heard on MSNBC.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:56 AM
Saturday

And there's this testimony, as reported in the BBC:

But for these women this was no fairytale. It was a nightmare and it was very real. How real became apparent the following day when Jane took the stand.

She testified that Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein approached her when she was 14 years old at a summer arts camp in 1994.

Over the next two years, she said she was abused about every other week with Maxwell sometimes taking part.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59736227

TexasBushwhacker

(20,952 posts)
12. Yes, but if it weren't Ghislane it would have been someone else
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:34 PM
Saturday

Ghislane grew up in privilege but found out when her father died that her inheritance wasn't nearly what she expected. She would do ANYTHING to get her life of privilege back. Are there other women out there like her? ABSOLUTELY!!!

CoopersDad

(3,205 posts)
7. Trump is her enabler, that's even worse.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:45 AM
Saturday

Our president is happy to excuse her behavior, to give her a pass.

Every day, it gets worse and worse.

IronLionZion

(49,526 posts)
18. Newsmax out there saying she's the real victim
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:16 PM
Saturday

because she's likely to get a Trump pardon in exchange for lying about his involvement.

BattleRow

(1,747 posts)
19. It just occurred to me that
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:17 PM
Saturday

Ghislaine Maxwell had no children of her own
Perhaps if she had,her choices may have been different..or worse..

Wiz Imp

(6,307 posts)
20. Bradley Edwards has represented over 200 of Epstein's victims
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:20 PM
Saturday
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/congress-can-subpoena-epstein-birthday-book-from-epstein-estate-epstein-victims-lawyer-says-243745349678
In a Last Word exclusive interview, Bradley Edwards, an attorney who has represented over 200 survivors of Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse, reveals that he believes the Jeffrey Epstein birthday book with a letter bearing Donald Trump’s name as reported first by The Wall Street Journal is in possession of the Epstein estate. Edwards also reacts to the treatment of Epstein’s victims in the coverage of the Trump-Epstein scandal.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/2235625136712757/posts/4122002518075000/
BREAKING: An attorney who represented over 200 of Jeffrey Epstein's victims drops a bombshell on Donald Trump by revealing that he knows where to find the birthday book containing his creepy drawing and letter to Epstein.

And it gets so much better...

Attorney Bradley Edwards says that the book is currently in the possession of the Epstein estate in Florida and it exists for an "absolute fact." He stated that he nows the estate executors and believes that they would relinquish the book if subpoenaed by Congress.

"I do know that they were involved in the assembly of the book, several of them,” Edwards said, speaking about "multiple" victims during an appearance on MSNBC’s "The Last Word."
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