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UTUSN

(74,948 posts)
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 11:43 PM Friday

Am 78, my timeline of Watergate and now - 1972 McGOVERN, 1974 Watergate hearings

Correct me if I'm wrong. Stuff started (before? ) 1972 because during the campaign I was on a bus from university to home and an elderly Repub lady was saying, "I don't believe that President NIXON" had done "things like that." And I was quietly but in-your-face saying that he did.

Next thing I remember now was glued to my tiny t.v. screen (1974? ) with the Southern Senator authoritatively rumbling in charge, and yes the Repub BAKER with his what-did-the-president-know-and-when-did-he-know-it thing - everybody CREDIBLE and HONEST.

**** All my afterward-life I've thought that was never to be seen again. I don't know if KRASNOV will ever be held accountable now, but I certainly never thought I would be living through (to my END) this kind of total corruption and later redemption of the country.

I hope to live to hear the words, "Our long national nightmare is over."





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Am 78, my timeline of Watergate and now - 1972 McGOVERN, 1974 Watergate hearings (Original Post) UTUSN Friday OP
The writer of TnDem Saturday #1
Thanks, still learning in old age backstories of what I lived through. But some corruption? UTUSN Saturday #3
Fred is sometimes H2O Man Saturday #6
Nice insights. Thanks. UTUSN Saturday #7
That was such H2O Man Saturday #8
And we thought we knew each one was the worst possible and each was worse than we could imagine. UTUSN Saturday #9
Watergate/Cover up - Crazy times...I was 19 - 21 electric_blue68 Saturday #2
"Didn't really think I'd experience worse" - thanks, me, too. UTUSN Saturday #4
YW 👍 electric_blue68 Saturday #5
I thought Nixon was our worst & we'd never see worse. Congresswoman Barbara Jordan said... Hekate Saturday #10
Waiting on the redemption. Boomerproud Saturday #11
Not useless. We're all just flummoxed UTUSN Saturday #12

TnDem

(1,142 posts)
1. The writer of
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:10 AM
Saturday

"What did the President know and when did he know it", was written by Fred Thompson, minority watergate counsel with Howard Baker and later US Senator...He went on after that as an actor in "Marie", "The Hunt for Red October" and ultimately as DA Arthur Branch on "Law and Order".

UTUSN

(74,948 posts)
3. Thanks, still learning in old age backstories of what I lived through. But some corruption?
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:48 AM
Saturday

I vaguely remember some negative stuff (no details for me). But his Wiki says he was "romantically" linked BOTH to Kellyanne CONWAY (nee FITZPATRICK) - AND - (Lib?) columnist Margaret CARLSON? Talk about equal opportunity!




H2O Man

(77,514 posts)
6. Fred is sometimes
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:11 AM
Saturday

given credit for that line, although generally in things from decades later. This included when he ran for president in 2008. What is certain is that at the time, the line was supposed to help Nixon, but it was asked to John Dean. Lawyers should never ask a question that do not know the answer to.

What is certain is that Nixon considered Fred to be "not very smart." When Haldeman told Nixon that Baker had picked him to be on the Senate committee, Nxon said, "Oh shit! That kid." (Feb 22, 1973 tape)

He is also known for asking Butterfield about the White House taping system. This was not a spontaneous question, as many thought. It had come out in earlier meetings behind closed doors. It was Fred who warned the White House that the Senate was aware of the taping system.


H2O Man

(77,514 posts)
8. That was such
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:45 AM
Saturday

a strange era. One of my clearest memories is from the night Nixon resigned. I remember thinking this country would never have such a horrible character in the White House. Little did I know what was to follow.

UTUSN

(74,948 posts)
9. And we thought we knew each one was the worst possible and each was worse than we could imagine.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:51 AM
Saturday

electric_blue68

(22,656 posts)
2. Watergate/Cover up - Crazy times...I was 19 - 21
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:44 AM
Saturday

W was pretty bad, but nothing imho compared to drumphf!

Didn't really think I'd experience worse.
As a NYC'r warned people about drumphf at the least a lying goon, racist, sexist. Then his statement "dictator on Day 1". Ffs!
2nd term- no adults in the WH, guard rails knocked down, etc.

Hanging "on to my hat", and hoping to make it through!
Good Luck to us all! 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

Hekate

(98,677 posts)
10. I thought Nixon was our worst & we'd never see worse. Congresswoman Barbara Jordan said...
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:03 AM
Saturday

… “My faith in the Constitution is whole, “ is what I remember her saying. But she went on to say of her faith in our system: “it is complete; it is total. And I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution. “

I will never forget her — I can hear that beautiful deep, resonant, voice in my mind to this day. Through her and the members of the Committee, my faith in the Constitution was restored.

When Nixon resigned, my relief was immense. I thought this was proof that our Constitutional system worked — that the House, Senate, and the Court would not fail us in the future. That we surely would have serious disagreements, but that there was honor there.

Yet each GOP president from then has been worse. The Senate and Congress included members who really did not believe in democracy, many of whom burrowed in and are still there, ancient but powerful. The Court itself cracked 25 years ago when it took on the case of Bush vs. Gore, and lied when they claimed that action “set no precedent. “ The Court fully broke when in this past decade they began the process of undoing all the progress we had made and they had endorsed in the entire second half of the 20th century, and in many cases the entire 20th century. SCOTUS broke.

Barbara Jordan tragically died young. My old Senator, Daniel Inouye, who gave his arm for this country in WWII, lived on, still serving the country, and is now gone. I am glad neither is alive to see this day, to see what we have become.

Boomerproud

(8,874 posts)
11. Waiting on the redemption.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:19 PM
Saturday

Senior year (1974) spring semester in our Problems of Democracy class we were glued to the Watergate hearings. All I see now is a bunch of foul-mouthed bullies having kangaroo court "hearings". I have no doubt that T's Department of Education would consider POD as un-American. For redemption we would need a sea-change in the public attitude that isn't happening. Over and out from my useless rant.

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