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Chasstev365

(6,349 posts)
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:16 PM Jul 25

Reading some of the Maxwell posts here, I want to ask a serious question

We know that 25 % of Trump supporters will literally believe every lie told to them by Trump and his administration. However, many people here are saying Maxwell will only name Democrats as being participants in the Epstein sex ring and that will be just be accepted. One person even said we'll "lose the mid-terms."

I'm sorry, but I find that very hard to believe. It's illogical. If Trump's administration does the investigation in that manner, it would be ridiculously partisan and I think people will see right through it.

I think it's more likely Maxwell will incriminate mostly Bill Clinton so it will be see: "bothsides" do it, aka take the heat off Trump. Anything with the name Clinton in it will have the bonus of being red meat to the GOP.

Thoughts?

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Reading some of the Maxwell posts here, I want to ask a serious question (Original Post) Chasstev365 Jul 25 OP
People that vote, like in a midterm, do so for reasons other than both parties are the same. BootinUp Jul 25 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 25 #2
I don't think any names will be released for the simple reason that it will magnify the entire case by actual lostincalifornia Jul 25 #3
why would EXPOSING ALL be a bad thing? Skittles Jul 25 #8
I didn't say it would be a bad thing, I am all for it, and let the chips fall where they may. What I am saying is that lostincalifornia Jul 25 #10
Maybe something like MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) writerJT Jul 25 #16
I'm hoping all those NAMES are SHITTING BRICKS Skittles Jul 25 #17
Illogical? LR3 Jul 25 #4
Maga wanted the file released Mz Pip Jul 25 #5
I doubt she will incriminate Clinton other than by saying he knew or should have known. karynnj Jul 25 #6
I would not be surprised if they try to muddy the waters.Take the heat off trump. I doubt whatever they do tulipsandroses Jul 25 #7
Voters didn't see through it in November. But this time might be different. Silent Type Jul 25 #9
Remember. Nixon was ousted because of the cover up, not the burglary. Ping Tung Jul 25 #11
yeah... no one is going to buy her bullshit or drumpf's. she'll say anything to get a pardon Takket Jul 25 #12
It's a cult. They'll believe what they're told Arazi Jul 25 #13
I've run into some "ends justify the means" types Renew Deal Jul 25 #14
They've done this before. writerJT Jul 25 #15
If Durbin said... TnDem Jul 25 #19
It doesn't need to be secret. writerJT Jul 25 #20
Why did the Deputy AG who is also Krasnov's lawyer suddenly go see Maxwell? GoodRaisin Jul 25 #18
i hope bdamomma Jul 25 #21

BootinUp

(50,475 posts)
1. People that vote, like in a midterm, do so for reasons other than both parties are the same.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:21 PM
Jul 25

If someone wants me to expound further on my thoughts, let me know.

Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

lostincalifornia

(4,568 posts)
3. I don't think any names will be released for the simple reason that it will magnify the entire case by actual
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:26 PM
Jul 25

victims coming forward to expose all.

lostincalifornia

(4,568 posts)
10. I didn't say it would be a bad thing, I am all for it, and let the chips fall where they may. What I am saying is that
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:51 PM
Jul 25

I think there are very powerful people who want to keep this from ever seeing the light of day.

Does anyone really believe the epstein suicide story? how much is a coincidence:

Violations of jail protocols where Epstein was removed from suicide watch before his death and placed in a cell where he was supposed to have a cellmate, but his cellmate was transferred, leaving him alone.
Failures by jail staff: Two guards assigned to monitor Epstein failed to perform required checks on him, falling asleep on duty and later falsifying records to cover it up, according to NPR. They were charged with conspiracy and record falsification, and eventually received community service sentences.
Malfunctioning cameras: Two cameras in front of Epstein's cell malfunctioned on the night of his death, according to Wikipedia. Although the Department of Justice released video footage of the common area, they later admitted that footage from inside the cell was permanently deleted due to a "clerical error".

I will be very surprised if they release any names.




writerJT

(467 posts)
16. Maybe something like MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:16 PM
Jul 25

Plenty of powerful people from all over the social and political spectrum. They’ll all cover for each other to save their own asses.

LR3

(56 posts)
4. Illogical?
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:26 PM
Jul 25

Was it logical that the U.S. re-elected a felonious sexual predator that had stoked an insurrection as he left office with record disapproval after his first term?

Mz Pip

(28,234 posts)
5. Maga wanted the file released
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:32 PM
Jul 25

because they think it will implicate powerful Democrats. They’ll believe that because they’re told to believe it snd want to believe it.

These interviews with Maxwell do nothing but muddy the waters, which is the intention.

karynnj

(60,572 posts)
6. I doubt she will incriminate Clinton other than by saying he knew or should have known.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:33 PM
Jul 25

Bill Clinton is known by image and name by everyone. There have been no accusations from anyone at least that I have read. If it a Maxwell accusation and a Clinton denial with no support to her accusation, it will look like another Republican dirty trick.

tulipsandroses

(7,970 posts)
7. I would not be surprised if they try to muddy the waters.Take the heat off trump. I doubt whatever they do
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:34 PM
Jul 25

will have an impact on midterms for democrats. However, if they try any monkey business by putting out false information, I think that will not go well for them. I predict that prosecutors that worked on the case will revolt. I don't think rank and file prosecutors are going to lie to protect trump or stand by and let a convicted pedophile play the victim.

Ping Tung

(3,757 posts)
11. Remember. Nixon was ousted because of the cover up, not the burglary.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:51 PM
Jul 25

Being a cynic about politics, I'm surprised at my own optimism about this.


“For the want of a nail the shoe was lost,
For the want of a shoe the horse was lost,
For the want of a horse the rider was lost,
For the want of a rider the battle was lost,
For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost,
And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”
― Benjamin Franklin

Takket

(23,263 posts)
12. yeah... no one is going to buy her bullshit or drumpf's. she'll say anything to get a pardon
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:59 PM
Jul 25

Renew Deal

(84,513 posts)
14. I've run into some "ends justify the means" types
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:09 PM
Jul 25

That are willing to believe or spread disinformation because they think that's the way to "fight back"

writerJT

(467 posts)
15. They've done this before.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:10 PM
Jul 25

I think this is what’s happening. (Repost of my post from a few days ago.)

First, they fired Maurene Comey, who helped prosecute Maxwell. That was the shot across the bow. If there’s anyone still in DOJ who wants to publicly or officially oppose Trump, and if they want to remain employed, they’ll stay quiet.

Second, we know that Todd Blanche (Trump’s former defense attorney) who is now Deputy AG, is going to meet with Maxwell. He’ll dangle the pardon if she agrees to play along and clear Trump’s name. She will.

Third, they’ll cite Maxwell as “Epstein’s closest confidant and associate” clearing Trump. They’ll do this over and over and over.

Fourth, If any part of the files do come out, they’ll have Trump’s name removed from the most incriminating parts (we already know of the 1,000 FBI personnel working on this, per Sen. Durbin). And the WH will keep saying: Maxwell said he didn’t do anything, over and over and over.

That will become the new narrative.

This is very close to how they muddied the waters on the Mueller report.

And it worked.

That’s what I posted the other day. The only thing I’d add at this point is: they’re going to say Maxwell was treated unfairly, because she wouldn’t “lie” and implicate Trump, so she went to prison. They’ll say this is all about Trump, reminding supporters that they already believe the justice system is out to get him. Maxwell walks. Focus is on DOJ corruption. And hey, the files prove Trump is innocent! (Even though they’ve been scrubbed.)

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
19. If Durbin said...
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:52 PM
Jul 25

That "100 FBI personnel" are working on this, (and that is proven to be true), there is no WAY any of this stays secret if something is secretly redacted or held back....Too many people involved to keep that kind of secret.

NO

WAY

writerJT

(467 posts)
20. It doesn't need to be secret.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 10:13 PM
Jul 25

The Deputy Attorney General is tweeting about meeting with Maxwell. Trump is publicly leaving open the idea of pardoning her. MAGA podcasts and tv shows are already pushing the idea that she was a victim of Epstein. They’re just openly doing this. They always do.

GoodRaisin

(10,538 posts)
18. Why did the Deputy AG who is also Krasnov's lawyer suddenly go see Maxwell?
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:41 PM
Jul 25

Answer: Krasnov told him to. Right after the story broke and the heat landed on Krasnov, and Krasnov couldn’t deflect it away.

The point is to have her say that Krasnov wasn’t a client of Epstein. She may implicate others but the point is to exonerate Krasnov and hope it goes away without giving up the files.

It’s a stupid idea and it won’t just be accepted. Krasnov will continue to hide the files and the shitstorm will intensify.

bdamomma

(69,050 posts)
21. i hope
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 10:23 PM
Jul 25

what you say is going to happen. The felon is a snake. I just saw a clip on Lawrence's show, Ali Velshi is covering. The felon looked very confident that he has dodged another bullet. Now He's saying I hardly knew the guy.

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