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PeaceWave

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Hekate

(98,680 posts)
1. KnR
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 07:17 PM
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lostincalifornia

(4,006 posts)
2. Such as "globalize the "intifada", which Hamas had an intregral part of, and wonder why some people were
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:21 PM
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concerned with that phrase.

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lostincalifornia

(4,006 posts)
4. Thank-you. Actually if we Globalize the empanada there would be less wars.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 08:42 PM
Friday

That being said I believe he initially said that the phrase was an expression of Palestinian rights, and we shouldn't be policing words.

In other words, I believe he was initially evasive, and later said he would discourage its use.


cadoman

(1,544 posts)
12. has Mamdami condemend the actions of Hamas?
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 11:44 AM
Saturday

Makes me wonder...

lostincalifornia

(4,006 posts)
13. Not that I am aware of. The fact is Mamdani does not believe that Israel should exist as a Jewish state, even
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:47 PM
Saturday

though that is how the UN and the British mandate set it up.

Mamdani is not fooling anyone.

karynnj

(60,432 posts)
5. I remember the days when DU relegated all Israel/Palestine comments to a special forum
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:10 PM
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The issue was just too toxic - probably on both sides.

In both NJ and Vermont where I have lived and was a member of a synagogue, there have been many many talks and forums that were all variations on "how to talk about Israel civilly without fracturing the community".

I think October 7 changed that. Immediately, many fearing Israel's predictable reaction did not say silent as Jews and allies mourned the huge loss of life and loss of their feelings of safety.

Then as the attacks on Gaza spun to levels unheard of in any earlier Gaza War, in some areas any criticism of Israel was labeled antisemitic. Part of the problem was a definition that declared a comment antisemitic if it criticized Israel if there were other countries guilty of the same actions not mentioned. As there is significant unambiguous antisemitism, calling most criticism of Israel antisemitic, weakens the word.

Given that the situation in Gaza and the West Bank seems to become more extreme by the day, it hurts that the hateful despicable actions of Hamas may lead Israel to destroy its own democracy.

Mamdani has not himself used the words that Shapiro cautions him on not calling his supporters on. His comment that he supports a Democratic Israel with equal rights for all. Said about any country except Israel, this is standard American values. In addition, American policy under every nonTrump President has been for a two state solution. The norm was being against the West Bank settlements rather than the Trump/Netanyahu vision of moving Palestinians out of most of Gaza and annexing most of the West Bank.

I think that 100% pro Israel support has drastically decreased in recent months. In fact, some articles spoke of Cuomo telling Jewish audiences that they needed to "'talk to their kids" mentioning Mamdani got over half of the Jewish vote.

JI7

(92,364 posts)
9. It should also be asked if all those other nations should have full democracy and equal rights and Islam
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 03:30 AM
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should not be the religion of those nations.

Mecca should be opened up to non muslims .

karynnj

(60,432 posts)
10. My answer would be all countries should allow equal rights
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 08:22 AM
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I don't think any politician to my knowledge has been asked and answered that question.

Cha

(313,266 posts)
6. Good on Gov Shapiro! TY for Speaking
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 09:21 PM
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out on this Very Important matter. Well Stated.. 💙

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Cha

(313,266 posts)
8. I really Like him and was grateful to
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 11:42 PM
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to see this statement from Gov Shapiro.

Mahalo for Posting, PeaceWave

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JCMach1

(28,822 posts)
14. Know your enemies Gov.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:50 PM
Saturday

Mamdani isn't it.

Dem establishment needs to STFU. They led us fully into our current situation.

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