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So this morning the rapist said that he can pardon (Original Post) malaise Friday OP
Triple dog dare from this huckleberry... wcmagumba Friday #1
He'll do it... COL Mustard Friday #31
Triple Dog Dare You ... aggiesal Friday #36
's truth. he can. stopdiggin Friday #2
THIS malaise Friday #5
He will get away with it if he does. Grins Friday #14
Exactly popsdenver Friday #18
I agree there is a surprising amount of teflon stopdiggin Friday #44
He can also promise to pardon her after the 2028 election gab13by13 Friday #3
Trump will do it. sop Friday #4
Tate(cough) Conjuay Friday #6
That would stir up a big ol' shitstorm. Ocelot II Friday #7
If it happens in 2028 the stink won't matter much. Kablooie Friday #19
She'd be stupid if she took a deal for a future pardon, and I don't think she's stupid, just evil. Ocelot II Friday #20
+1. rzemanfl Friday #33
Recommended. H2O Man Friday #8
Rec for the T& P malaise Friday #9
It's wonderful how he thinks he has to johnnyfins Friday #10
How soon before she "suicides"? 58Sunliner Friday #11
She probably has given a stash of evidence to her lawyer or another confidant, Ocelot II Friday #22
I'll second that, whether it's her lawyer or trusted friend ... FakeNoose Friday #28
While I consider much of the speculation in this thread to be complete nonsense, it should be noted that Wiz Imp Friday #40
Trump would say they made it up and/or raid them. I don't think she has any safety. 58Sunliner Friday #38
If she isn't safe, why isn't she dead already? FakeNoose Friday #42
She wasn't an issue until people wouldn't shut up about Epstein. 58Sunliner Saturday #48
Somebody knows that she has blackmail material FakeNoose Saturday #49
It would have definitely made the papers if she died from anything less than natural causes. 58Sunliner Saturday #53
If she accepts the pardon Red Mountain Friday #12
He was throwing out a bunch of names the press should be covering instead Nixie Friday #13
A pardoned person loses their fifth amendment rights, but there are loopholes if also subject to state prosecution. usonian Friday #15
She will just lie. n/t rzemanfl Friday #34
She'll be a marked woman if she gets pardoned. poli-junkie Friday #16
if he thinks this will help him, he will be oh so disappointed. LOL nt Javaman Friday #17
I'm trying to understand.. real question here.. halobeam Saturday #50
She won't need a pardon when she's dead, he's just talking out of both assholes. As usual. mucholderthandirt Friday #21
He'll pardon her. rubbersole Friday #23
Murdoch probably has enough other dirt on red don not fooled Friday #29
They're dumb alright. rubbersole Friday #41
If he does this the brakes are off and the Democrats need to use this against him and the repukes in 2026! kimbutgar Friday #24
Then she can say what she wants to Congress Beck23 Friday #25
I say go ahead and do it, and see how much lower that slightlv Friday #26
At first I thought you meant that Trump can pardon himself. TheRickles Friday #27
I would argue inciting a riot against the US Congress LNM Friday #32
Um, the Supreme Court never ruled on that. Wiz Imp Friday #39
Pardon her? Dave Id Friday #30
He got Andrew Tate freed from a Romanian prison and invited him to the US Arazi Friday #35
John Roberts will find pedophilia and sex trafficking... Kid Berwyn Friday #37
What's remarkable is how Chump's "presidential immunity" will be retroactive FakeNoose Friday #43
Traitor Trump was caught red-handed STEALING TOP SECRETS. Kid Berwyn Saturday #47
On cable news they mentioned that this could be a secret deal... AntiFascist Friday #45
This stinks malaise Friday #46
Is that a statement or an enticement, a deal, or an offer? Ping Tung Saturday #51
A convicted felon pardoning another convicted felon? Sneederbunk Saturday #52

aggiesal

(10,203 posts)
36. Triple Dog Dare You ...
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 03:57 PM
Friday

I may have mentioned this in the past, but "A Christmas Story" is based in my hometown city where I grew up, Hammond, IN.
When I first watched this in the mid 80's, when internet wasn't around yet, the mention of the Chicago Bears up there, and down in Griffith (Indiana), I knew it was was close to where I grew up.

Then I found it just how close I was to this storied location.
The author of "A Christmas Story", is Jean Shepherd , who played the narrator & the gentleman who told Ralphie that the line to see Santa started waaaay back there, in the movie.
Jean Shepherd graduated from my high school, Hammond High School.
The school in the movie Warren G. Harding Elementary exists in the Hessville section of Hammond and is at the end of Cleveland St.
My cousins attended Harding Elementary.

So I tell people, that I grew up in "A Christmas Story"

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stopdiggin

(14,101 posts)
2. 's truth. he can.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:28 PM
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and I share your take. "You go right ahead there, Mr. Degenerate !"

Draw attention. Paint a vivid picture. And solidify you place in the gutter, with the swill and the swine ...

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popsdenver

(84 posts)
18. Exactly
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:33 PM
Friday

He can, and he will.......he has no other choice. She has him by his teensy balls.........

stopdiggin

(14,101 posts)
44. I agree there is a surprising amount of teflon
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 05:20 PM
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I think it is also notable that he seems to be catching heat here - apparently from directions that he previously has not.
I'll not speculate on how permanent that damage might be ... Or whether Maxwell makes any kind of lasting mark with the true believers.

gab13by13

(29,056 posts)
3. He can also promise to pardon her after the 2028 election
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:35 PM
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and then not do it. Guessing Maxwell knows that also.

sop

(15,324 posts)
4. Trump will do it.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:35 PM
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If enough people say it would be an outrage, that he wouldn't dare pardon a convicted sexual predator and trafficker, his hypercontrarianism will get the better of him.

Ocelot II

(126,300 posts)
7. That would stir up a big ol' shitstorm.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:42 PM
Friday

Of course, once Maxwell is pardoned she can say whatever she wants, since AFAIK pardons can't be undone, and she's dumber than I think she is (she may be evil but I don't think she's stupid) if she talks before she has that pardon in hand. But she is not known for her truthfulness in the first place, and whatever she says in exchange for a pardon will be highly suspect, to say the least. Of course perjury charges can also be pardoned, but that would make the whole business even stinkier.

Kablooie

(18,957 posts)
19. If it happens in 2028 the stink won't matter much.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:36 PM
Friday

And of course Trump can promise it and then forget all about it later.

Ocelot II

(126,300 posts)
20. She'd be stupid if she took a deal for a future pardon, and I don't think she's stupid, just evil.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:39 PM
Friday

H2O Man

(77,542 posts)
8. Recommended.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 12:43 PM
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Gracious! It's as if he finds himself where every option hurts him with his base. Thoughts & prayers for his making the worst choice!

johnnyfins

(2,520 posts)
10. It's wonderful how he thinks he has to
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:17 PM
Friday

"Educate" people that he is allowed to pardon people. I hope he does pardon her. Let the shitstorm begin.

58Sunliner

(5,904 posts)
11. How soon before she "suicides"?
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 01:58 PM
Friday

I was reading a victim statement the other day that Ivana used to hunt for victims with Maxwell, fully understanding what was happening. They are all sick and pathological. If Maxwell had an ounce of self preservation she would start singing like a canary, and ask to be transferred to a secure facility explicitly outlining the risk to her life.

Ocelot II

(126,300 posts)
22. She probably has given a stash of evidence to her lawyer or another confidant,
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:41 PM
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with instructions to release it to the media if anything happens to her, and maybe she let Todd Blanche know about it just in case Trump has any nefarious ideas. I think she's savvy enough to have installed a dead-man's switch like that for her safety.

FakeNoose

(38,026 posts)
28. I'll second that, whether it's her lawyer or trusted friend ...
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:58 PM
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... SOMEONE is holding all the evidence in a safe, and it will be released if Ghislaine should happen to meet an untimely demise. That's what is keeping her alive now.

I don't have any insider info on this, but I've tried to keep up with the various rumors, stories and court proceedings.

Wiz Imp

(6,277 posts)
40. While I consider much of the speculation in this thread to be complete nonsense, it should be noted that
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 04:31 PM
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Maxwell's lawyer is very close friends with Todd Blanche.


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/blanche-and-marcus-are-personal-friends-the-details-wont-see-the-light-of-day-an

58Sunliner

(5,904 posts)
38. Trump would say they made it up and/or raid them. I don't think she has any safety.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 04:07 PM
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The one caveat might be a video or pictures of DT and JE raping a minor.

FakeNoose

(38,026 posts)
42. If she isn't safe, why isn't she dead already?
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 05:00 PM
Friday

I'm sure Ghislaine understands her dangerous predicament. She was living off-the-books for several years in the private homes of various friends. She does have resources. It might be awful living in a prison but they are keeping her safe for now.

58Sunliner

(5,904 posts)
48. She wasn't an issue until people wouldn't shut up about Epstein.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:42 AM
Saturday

Another suicide would be very suspicious at this point, but I don't know that they care about optics. Maybe he will let her out and then she'll "suicide" or have a fatal accident. Who knows what leverage she has. I bet the thought has crossed his mind to silence her permanently. He also knows that people have been giving the media documents. What would a paranoid, demented idiot do? Stay tuned.

FakeNoose

(38,026 posts)
49. Somebody knows that she has blackmail material
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 12:31 PM
Saturday

When Epstein was convicted in Florida in 2007 or 2008, Ghislaine and Jeffrey had very little contact after that. For awhile she remained in New York (I believe) but eventually she started moving around staying with friends, and keeping one step ahead of the law. Virginia Giuffre was already bringing lawsuits against both of them, and she got them charged with rape and trafficking crimes. (Giuffre had fled the country and was living in Australia, and that caused delays.)

It almost looked like Maxwell would skip out of everything and leave the country unnoticed. But somehow the law tracked her down. I think it might have been the GPS on her phone that gave her away. (Or maybe somebody dropped a dime on her?) She was hiding at a friend's house in Massachusetts at the time.

My point is that Maxwell was "under cover" for almost 10 years ... leading up to her being arrested and charged with the crimes. It happened during Chump's first term, I'm thinking maybe 2019? I can't remember, but IF Chump had been trying to have her "suicided" ... well, we never would have heard anything, would we? It would have never made the papers.

58Sunliner

(5,904 posts)
53. It would have definitely made the papers if she died from anything less than natural causes.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:09 PM
Saturday

Her death, even if natural, would have been noted.
2 July 2020: Ghislaine Maxwell is arrested by the FBI at her New Hampshire home. They used a stingray.

Red Mountain

(2,147 posts)
12. If she accepts the pardon
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:00 PM
Friday

isn't she compelled to answer official questions?

No pleading the 5th?

Nixie

(17,766 posts)
13. He was throwing out a bunch of names the press should be covering instead
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:04 PM
Friday

of him. That will be his cover. He’ll whitewash himself out of the convo. Look over there.

usonian

(19,374 posts)
15. A pardoned person loses their fifth amendment rights, but there are loopholes if also subject to state prosecution.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:10 PM
Friday
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/do-presidential-pardons-remove-the-fifth-amendment-rights-of-recipients

So, in general yes, but a loophole.

The privilege disappears only when there’s no realistic prospect of prosecution by any American government, federal or state. So, if a witness is asked about something, and the answer might lead to state prosecution for which the state statute of limitations hasn’t run, the witness can refuse to testify because of that risk of state prosecution, even if a federal prosecution is taken off the table by the federal pardon.”

halobeam

(5,052 posts)
50. I'm trying to understand.. real question here..
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:01 PM
Saturday

what can happen that will disappoint him?

rubbersole

(10,170 posts)
23. He'll pardon her.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:46 PM
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They're just getting their ducks in a row. But they'd better hurry. Looking like Murdoch/Thiel/Vance are making a move. tsf has become an unnecessary distraction.

not fooled

(6,398 posts)
29. Murdoch probably has enough other dirt on red don
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 03:01 PM
Friday

that even pardoning Maxwell won't stop the release of damaging information.

Whether it's enough to dislodge the monster would remain to be seen.


BTW, how dumb would his supporters have to be to still follow him after he pardons Maxwell? Dumb enough to not put 2 + 2 together?

rubbersole

(10,170 posts)
41. They're dumb alright.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 04:48 PM
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When faux news, not just Murdoch's WSJ, starts trashing tsf...it is go time. 25th amendment will be next. Vance won't get the support from magatville. Faux will try, but JD wears too much eyeliner for the Qanon gang.

kimbutgar

(25,662 posts)
24. If he does this the brakes are off and the Democrats need to use this against him and the repukes in 2026!
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:50 PM
Friday

You don’t pardon a convicted sex offender!

slightlv

(6,197 posts)
26. I say go ahead and do it, and see how much lower that
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:57 PM
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37% Gallop poll can go on you! (ROTFLMAO!) He will just announce to the world and every "christian" magat who voted for him that he has something so perverse to hide, that he's willing to hide the news that Clinton and Prince Andrew and who knows who else is in the files. Like, he pardons her, and QAnon is going to go nuts on his ass.

TheRickles

(2,887 posts)
27. At first I thought you meant that Trump can pardon himself.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 02:57 PM
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Amidst all the recent legal wranglings, I've forgotten - can he do that, if his crimes aren't considered part of his official Presidential duties?

LNM

(1,197 posts)
32. I would argue inciting a riot against the US Congress
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 03:08 PM
Friday

Wouldn’t be part of a president’s official duties, but the SC thought differently.

Wiz Imp

(6,277 posts)
39. Um, the Supreme Court never ruled on that.
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 04:27 PM
Friday

After the election, it was known that the Trump DOJ would completely drop the case, so Jack Smith filed a motion to dismiss the charges without prejudice. On November 25, 2024, Judge Chutkan approved the request and dismissed the charges. In January 2025, the special counsel report was released, in which "the Office assessed that the admissible evidence was sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction at trial."

Dave Id

(140 posts)
30. Pardon her?
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 03:05 PM
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She knows Trump is on "the list", so Trump wants to keep her silent by pardoning her. Duh!

Arazi

(8,207 posts)
35. He got Andrew Tate freed from a Romanian prison and invited him to the US
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 03:48 PM
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And his cult loved it. He’s pardoned many other sex offenders and even murderers without consequence.

They’ll believe whatever story he tells them.

Traitor will certainly pardon Ghislaine Maxwell

Kid Berwyn

(21,514 posts)
37. John Roberts will find pedophilia and sex trafficking...
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 03:57 PM
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…fall within the scope of Trump’s Official Duties, so it’s all gonna be legal-like.

every band should use this as an album cover for all their releases for a year

Fully Retractable (@fullyretractable.bsky.social) 2025-07-22T23:38:59.984Z


He’s like a king who can do anything.

FakeNoose

(38,026 posts)
43. What's remarkable is how Chump's "presidential immunity" will be retroactive
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 05:09 PM
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... to all the years BEFORE he was president!



Kid Berwyn

(21,514 posts)
47. Traitor Trump was caught red-handed STEALING TOP SECRETS.
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 10:10 AM
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Traitor Trump led a violent insurrection to raid Congress and overturn an election he lost.

Now, he’s free to dismantle the government, rewrite history, and prosecute those who stand in his way.

Anyone else would be busy all day busting rocks and making license plates.

Because he isn’t is proof of the complicity of John Roberts and their MAGANAZIGOP conspiracy.

AntiFascist

(13,579 posts)
45. On cable news they mentioned that this could be a secret deal...
Fri Jul 25, 2025, 05:25 PM
Friday

Maybe he'll do it after the midterms or right before he leaves office.

Ping Tung

(3,162 posts)
51. Is that a statement or an enticement, a deal, or an offer?
Sat Jul 26, 2025, 01:08 PM
Saturday

Maybe it's a promise of his well known natural compassion and sympathy

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