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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's come to this...Trump's goons, behind bars for 2 days, "art of the deal" with a pedophile's convicted pimp
CALL ME OLD FASHIONED, but if Trump wasn't guilty, he wouldn't need to yell "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BUT THEY'RE GOING TO FUCK ME ANYWAY" in the Oval Office.
How can we possibly see ANY OF THIS and NOT see GUILT?
Bondi SAT ON THE FILES. Bondi REDACTED the files. Didn't we have a point where we were told the files didn't exist?
Maxwell COMPLAINED BITTERLY about her incarceration the minute she LANDED. And while the carrot being dangled is a "future pardon," if she's the snake that we know her to be, how ignorant would she have to be in order to believe Trump would deliver on his "word?"
Bill Barr pulled his cute little "4 page summary" with the Mueller report, ignoring TEN COUNTS of obstruction, "concluding" that there were NO INSTANCES OF OBSTRUCTION.
Bondi, so far, hasn't been so lucky.

boonecreek
(1,155 posts)I think he used to get the coffee!
Ray Bruns
(5,452 posts)BOSSHOG
(43,454 posts)Miles Archer
(19,927 posts)With Will Ferrell as Trump. Courtney Love as Melania. Pauly Shore as Don Jr. The movie almost writes itself.
BOSSHOG
(43,454 posts)I Did it My Way.
karynnj
(60,433 posts)On one hand, there is a loud passionate part of Trump's own base that believed the Q CTs of pedophile rings. They see Jeffery Epstein as one of those who led one. They apparently bought that Trump broke with him when he knew Epstein was a creep and bizarrely thought he was the only person who would go after these rings. How they ignore more than a decade of friendship and all the public statements of Trump readily available is beyond me.
There is NO QUESTION that both Epstein and Maxwell are among these hated pedophiles. From their perspective, as ours, she does not deserve a pardon. They might see an exception if she gave them what is needed to bring down any still existing part of that enterprise. However, there may be no part of it left ... even if others adopted the model. Also, she refused to cooperate decades ago - meaning if it was still ongoing, she let it continue harming more children. A pardon now is inexcusable.
However, Trump has pardon powder and, as with all the J6 people, he is willing to use it to help himself feel justified. Consider a recent post where he portrays himself as the hunter who previously was hunted, the J6 people were pardoned, the career professionals who prosecuted them were fired and he often states as fact that he won THREE elections. Even 2016, where he won, he with help from Barr still is fighting the idea that Russia interfered by influencing voters.
The problem here is that Trump pardoning someone no one questioned aided a pedophile ring could be a step too far. Also, even if she was not guilty of perjury, any statement by her that Trump was never involved after a pardon would probably not be believable to that part of his base. Pardoning Maxwell especially if it is seen as done to get that statement could be something unforgivable.
So, what would be seen as a valid reason to give a pardon? If it were information that brings down an existing pedophile ring that could be worth it. But, it has been almost a decade since she would have been actively involved. Not to mention, if Trump were interested, he should be helping Senator Wyden get the information on money flows.
Baitball Blogger
(50,607 posts)His first statement cherry picked the details and told the public what he wanted them to know to reach the conclusion that he wanted them to reach. And then, he buried the report.
And the son of a bitch got away with it. We knew what he was doing when he did it. But the outrage was not enough to convince everyone else.
Got, I hope when his time comes to leave this earth, it's as painful as hell.
lame54
(38,156 posts)making a deal with Maxwell who is suddenly very chatty
Mr.Bee
(1,064 posts)Volaris
(10,954 posts)Exactly as was done to any number of underage girls, you fucking worthless rapist pedophile.
Beg, motherfucker.