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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSilicon Valley AI Startups Are Embracing China's Controversial '996' Work Schedule (9 to 9, 6 days a week)
https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valley-china-996-work-schedule/The 996 phenomenon in China gave rise to major protests and accusations of modern slavery, with critics blaming the schedule for a spate of worker deaths. Despite the negative connotations overseas, US firms, many of them working on artificial intelligence, are adopting both the schedule and its nickname as they race to compete against each otherand with China. Adrian Kinnersley, a serial entrepreneur who runs both a staffing and recruitment company and an employment compliance startup, has been surprised by how many startups are going all-in on 996. It's becoming increasingly common, he says. We have multiple clients where a prerequisite for screening candidates before they go for an interview is whether they are prepared to work 996.
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In 2021, after years of increasing pushback from workers, the Chinese government cracked down on the widespread 996 practice, which was technically illegal but seldom enforced. While still commonplace in the tech sector, some companies have backed off, at least publicly.
Globally, though, 996 appears to be on the rise. This summer, UK-based venture capitalist Harry Stebbings helped spur a lively debate over the trends adoption when he argued that 996 might not be enoughand that truly ambitious startups might need to go even harder to keep up. The truth is, Chinas really doing 007 nowmidnight to midnight, seven days a week, and they just have a rotational workforce, he says. If you want to build a $100 million company, you can do it on five days a week. But if you want to build a $10 billion company, you have to work seven days a week.
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I want to post this especially for any AI-dazzled DUers who believe everyone should welcome AI disrupting our society, since tech bros have long been saying it will mean shorter work weeks and even universal basic income.
But the new economy tech founders are aiming for is a highly skilled and desperate work force becoming wage slaves who work almost every waking minute.
And if you're gullible enough to think those people would accept taxes high enough to support any form of universal basic income...

senseandsensibility
(23,061 posts)Cheap labor (or free labor if they could swing it) is what they want just as much as tax cuts.
meadowlander
(4,945 posts)but the truth was people just conducted all their personal business at work instead, took three hour lunches and hour+ long coffee breaks and sat around chatting all day until one of the bosses walked past. It was no more productive (and probably slightly less) than other places I have worked with a 35 or 40 hours work week. It just meant people with kids never got to see them (it's common in China for young parents with city jobs to send their kids to the countryside to be raised by their retired grandparents because they're never going to get to see them anyway) and nobody could have any hobbies or interests outside of work.
It's all just performative dedication and busyness. It reminds of a story one Chinese coworker told me about how when she was in high school one of her classmates lived in an apartment block down the street where they could see each others bedroom windows and they used to stay up watching each other half the night to see who would turn their light off earliest because that meant they were less dedicated to studying for their exams. But actually neither of them were studying, they were both just staring out the window.
Mike 03
(18,652 posts)that it will mostly be used by the powerful to enforce authoritarianism (Palantir, xAI, etc...) But I see no way to stop this, anymore than we could stop 5G, or even ask that it be studied. But I'm going to use it when it's appropriate while it remains free (because it won't be forever). We are in that phase with AI that we enjoyed in the early days of the World Wide Web, before it was clear that it created more problems than it solved.
TheProle
(3,548 posts)The study defines AI companions as platforms designed to serve as "digital friends," like Character. AI or Replika, which can be customized with specific traits or personalities and can offer emotional support, companionship and conversations that can feel human-like. But popular sites like ChatGPT and Claude, which mainly answer questions, are being used in the same way, the researchers say.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-digital-friendship-with-teens-common-sense-media-study/
anciano
(1,910 posts)There can be no doubt that GenAI is now an established technology of our era.
speak easy
(12,104 posts)Hekate
(98,699 posts)We watched what he did to Twitter it was all out in the open. Why did any sentient human think hed treat the functions of the federal government any better?
ProfessorGAC
(73,779 posts)There is no chance they are getting 120 of actual work from anybody after the first week or 2.
And, there is equally close to zero chance they are getting more than 50% of the productivity. IOW, 60 hours of productivity at best.
People simply aren't wired to work 7 seventeen hours a week.
Oh, and Musk could simply be making that up.
DET
(2,128 posts)Great way to weed out older workers (i.e., anyone over 30 with a life).
Hekate
(98,699 posts)The Madcap
(1,344 posts)The pay had better be fantastic to get someone to sell their lives like that.
Hekate
(98,699 posts)The Chinese scheme involves low pay and no workers rights, afaict.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,698 posts)One place I interviewed told me that they have their staff meetings on Saturday morning.
Working 60-80 hours a week was not at all uncommon, especially for several weeks leading up to a product release. One time I had been working (sitting) for so many hours for so long that my back hurt so much that I couldn't sit any more. The last three days before the release, I had to work either standing up at my desk or kneeling because sitting hurt too much. When I decided that I wasn't going to destroy my health for companies any more, it was pretty much the beginning of my end in Silicon Valley.