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highplainsdem

(57,600 posts)
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:34 PM Jul 24

Silicon Valley AI Startups Are Embracing China's Controversial '996' Work Schedule (9 to 9, 6 days a week)

https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valley-china-996-work-schedule/

Would you like to work nearly double the standard 40-hour week? It’s a question that many startups in the US are asking prospective employees—and to get the job, the answer needs to be an unequivocal yes. These companies are embracing an intense schedule, first popularized in mainland China, known as “996,” or 9 am to 9 pm, six days a week. In other words, it’s a 72-hour work week.

The 996 phenomenon in China gave rise to major protests and accusations of “modern slavery,” with critics blaming the schedule for a spate of worker deaths. Despite the negative connotations overseas, US firms, many of them working on artificial intelligence, are adopting both the schedule and its nickname as they race to compete against each other—and with China. Adrian Kinnersley, a serial entrepreneur who runs both a staffing and recruitment company and an employment compliance startup, has been surprised by how many startups are going all-in on 996. “It's becoming increasingly common,” he says. “We have multiple clients where a prerequisite for screening candidates before they go for an interview is whether they are prepared to work 996.”

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In 2021, after years of increasing pushback from workers, the Chinese government cracked down on the widespread 996 practice, which was technically illegal but seldom enforced. While still commonplace in the tech sector, some companies have backed off, at least publicly.

Globally, though, 996 appears to be on the rise. This summer, UK-based venture capitalist Harry Stebbings helped spur a lively debate over the trend’s adoption when he argued that 996 might not be enough—and that truly ambitious startups might need to go even harder to keep up. “The truth is, China’s really doing ‘007’ now—midnight to midnight, seven days a week, and they just have a rotational workforce,” he says. “If you want to build a $100 million company, you can do it on five days a week. But if you want to build a $10 billion company, you have to work seven days a week.”

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I want to post this especially for any AI-dazzled DUers who believe everyone should welcome AI disrupting our society, since tech bros have long been saying it will mean shorter work weeks and even universal basic income.

But the new economy tech founders are aiming for is a highly skilled and desperate work force becoming wage slaves who work almost every waking minute.

And if you're gullible enough to think those people would accept taxes high enough to support any form of universal basic income...
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senseandsensibility

(23,061 posts)
1. Of course they are
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:36 PM
Jul 24

Cheap labor (or free labor if they could swing it) is what they want just as much as tax cuts.

meadowlander

(4,945 posts)
2. I worked at a tech start-up in China fifteen years ago that had a 996-esque work ethos
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jul 24

but the truth was people just conducted all their personal business at work instead, took three hour lunches and hour+ long coffee breaks and sat around chatting all day until one of the bosses walked past. It was no more productive (and probably slightly less) than other places I have worked with a 35 or 40 hours work week. It just meant people with kids never got to see them (it's common in China for young parents with city jobs to send their kids to the countryside to be raised by their retired grandparents because they're never going to get to see them anyway) and nobody could have any hobbies or interests outside of work.

It's all just performative dedication and busyness. It reminds of a story one Chinese coworker told me about how when she was in high school one of her classmates lived in an apartment block down the street where they could see each others bedroom windows and they used to stay up watching each other half the night to see who would turn their light off earliest because that meant they were less dedicated to studying for their exams. But actually neither of them were studying, they were both just staring out the window.

Mike 03

(18,652 posts)
3. I think AI will be a huge disappointment for us ordinary people, and
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:48 PM
Jul 24

that it will mostly be used by the powerful to enforce authoritarianism (Palantir, xAI, etc...) But I see no way to stop this, anymore than we could stop 5G, or even ask that it be studied. But I'm going to use it when it's appropriate while it remains free (because it won't be forever). We are in that phase with AI that we enjoyed in the early days of the World Wide Web, before it was clear that it created more problems than it solved.

TheProle

(3,548 posts)
5. AI use is increasing rapidly
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:58 PM
Jul 24
More than 70% of teens have used AI companions and half use them regularly, with 34% reporting daily usage or multiple times a week, according to a new study from Common Sense Media, a group that studies and advocates for using screens and digital media sensibly.

The study defines AI companions as platforms designed to serve as "digital friends," like Character. AI or Replika, which can be customized with specific traits or personalities and can offer emotional support, companionship and conversations that can feel human-like. But popular sites like ChatGPT and Claude, which mainly answer questions, are being used in the same way, the researchers say.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-digital-friendship-with-teens-common-sense-media-study/

anciano

(1,910 posts)
8. Interesting article...
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:24 PM
Jul 24

There can be no doubt that GenAI is now an established technology of our era.

Hekate

(98,699 posts)
10. When the goal is wreckage of all systems touched, I guess it's sorta easy to achieve...
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 06:54 PM
Jul 24

We watched what he did to Twitter — it was all out in the open. Why did any sentient human think he’d treat the functions of the federal government any better?

ProfessorGAC

(73,779 posts)
13. The Operative Word There Is "Work"
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 07:47 PM
Jul 24

There is no chance they are getting 120 of actual work from anybody after the first week or 2.
And, there is equally close to zero chance they are getting more than 50% of the productivity. IOW, 60 hours of productivity at best.
People simply aren't wired to work 7 seventeen hours a week.
Oh, and Musk could simply be making that up.

The Madcap

(1,344 posts)
7. Why waste one's youth?
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:08 PM
Jul 24

The pay had better be fantastic to get someone to sell their lives like that.

Hekate

(98,699 posts)
12. Somehow I suspect the days of very high pay for tech work are just about over
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 06:59 PM
Jul 24

The Chinese scheme involves low pay and no workers’ rights, afaict.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,698 posts)
9. For decades, a lot of Silicon Valley places have been pretty close to that.
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 06:40 PM
Jul 24

One place I interviewed told me that they have their staff meetings on Saturday morning.

Working 60-80 hours a week was not at all uncommon, especially for several weeks leading up to a product release. One time I had been working (sitting) for so many hours for so long that my back hurt so much that I couldn't sit any more. The last three days before the release, I had to work either standing up at my desk or kneeling because sitting hurt too much. When I decided that I wasn't going to destroy my health for companies any more, it was pretty much the beginning of my end in Silicon Valley.

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