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FarPoint

(14,128 posts)
1. I am surprised at this list...
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 02:47 PM
Thursday

At least it was kept somewhat under the radar.... shameful list of actors.

hlthe2b

(110,797 posts)
4. Some, yes. But, there was zero attention to detail (three names badly misspelled) in the video so accurate or no?
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:17 PM
Thursday

Here are the correct spellings as I pointed out downstream:

Vivien Leigh
Leslie Howard
David O. Selznick

Wonder Why

(5,983 posts)
2. The list per the video
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 03:51 PM
Thursday

John Wayne
Walter Brennan
Al Jolson
David O Selnik
Errol Flynn
Bing Crosby
Gary Cooper
James (Jimmy) Stewart
WC Fields
Spencer Tracy
Mickey Rooney
Fred Astaire
Vivian Lee
Leslie Howard

The video explains why each of them made the list.

hlthe2b

(110,797 posts)
3. Why did I know that John Wayne would feature... His attitude about Native Americans was beyond the pale, but
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:08 PM
Thursday

not surprisingly, it did not end there.

Jimmy Stewart depresses me...

Vivien Leigh and Leslie Howard were both British so I can't attach racist American attitudes to them, but...
David O. Selznick, well, who knows... Sigh...

BTW, there is not a lot of attention to detail in this video (the spelling corrections above are mine but as per the list made from the video, they did not bother to ensure correct spelling of these names). For that reason, I'm not sure I'd take ALL of it at face value.

chowder66

(11,014 posts)
7. Jimmy Stewart was the one that stood out for me as well so I dug a little
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 05:22 PM
Thursday

from the comments on that youtube channel I found this nice little story;

So, I grew up in West Hollywood and worked at Gelson's. I encountered Jimmy Stewart on a regular basis when I was a teenager working in Century City Gelson. and as a person of mixed heritage Black and Jewish, my experience with Mr. Stewart was quite different that what you have discribed here. The first time I met him he asked me if I could get him some sugar on the bottom shelf citing that his knees weren't what they used to be. When I told him "Of course, Mr. Stewart." He responded "You know who I am?" and I told him "everyone knows who are." He asked me my name and made a comment about the healthy head of locks that I had. And told me when he came back if he needed any help he would look for me. Which he did and he called me his "shopping buddy." Now, of all the blue eyes, blond haired other kids that worked there at the time, if he hated me and my kind so much then why pick me out of a group to be nice to. He regularly gave me $10 or $20 tips for taking his bags to his car, and at Xmas I got 100 bucks. I was the envy of everyone at Gelson's. So, I don't know what bee got in your bonnet to smear his name like that, but I actually met the man, and he never said a word out place to me.

This breaks a lot of this down. Stewart wasn't racist.
https://vanguardofhollywood.com/was-jimmy-stewart-racist/

Rebl2

(16,729 posts)
10. Only one
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 05:39 PM
Thursday

that surprised me was Jimmy Stewart. I knew Bing and Bob Hope were. The others don’t surprise me.

Response to YoshidaYui (Original post)

TheProle

(3,539 posts)
12. Human nature is contradictory and nuanced
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 05:50 PM
Thursday

Take, for example, the Methodist minister and abolitionist Col John Chivington:

a Methodist pastor and Mason who served as a colonel in the United States Volunteers during the New Mexico Campaign of the American Civil War. He led a rear action against a Confederate supply train in the Battle of Glorieta Pass that had the effect of ending the Confederacy's campaigns in the Western states, and was then appointed a colonel of cavalry during the Colorado War.


Yay, Col. John!

But then:

The victory at Glorieta Pass gave Chivington a reputation as a bold and daring commander. Along with his ardent advocacy of statehood, he hoped it could help him become the first member of the U.S. House of Representatives elected from Colorado. To that end he cultivated his connections with political leaders like territorial governor John Evans. But he also knew that his chances would be best if he could secure another key military victory. The wars with various local Indian tribes, a matter that affected Coloradans more directly than the Civil War, offered an opportunity.


Said Col. John:

"Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! ... I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians. ... Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice."


Col. John's "heroic" work at Sand Creek:

Between 150 and 200 Indians were estimated dead, nearly all women and children. Chivington testified before a Congressional committee that his forces had killed 500 to 600 Indians and that few of them were women or children. Others testified against him.


So, how about it, Internet arbiters of right and wrong. Racist or no?



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chivington (primary sources linked in article)

Coventina

(28,479 posts)
13. Calling Errol Flynn a Nazi spy seems to be a pretty disputed issue.
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 06:13 PM
Thursday

Only one biographer has brought those charges, and they seem to be debunked by subsequent research.

Was he racist? I'm sure he was.
*Every white person* in the 20th century was, on some level.
I mean, it was like being fish in the racist sea, living in the white supremacy.
Was he worse than the average guy?
I cannot say.

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