I would say the time missing from a max security prison, and 2 security officers falling asleep is the most important info. Also that he had multiple fractures to his throat, which sounds like itd be more consistent with a murder.

https://headlineusa.com/prison-officials-discovered-camera-malfunctions-the-day-before-epsteins-death



I'm just going to say that for my part, I've long entertained the conspiracy theory that Epstein was 'allowed' to off himself, but that's as far down that sort of road as I've felt was well-warranted. To murder a guy in Federal Prison would require a pretty elaborate scheme, and fair number of people, none of whom have ever come forward in the interim, even though it would make them instantly famous. I mean, not the murderer, of course, but anyone else that knew about it w/o being directly involved. Witnesses, if you will. Or schemers who did not know what they were actually involved in until after the fact. Not saying it DIDN'T, mind you, I've just not determined it to be the more likely scenario

I've also considered the possibility that Epstein became aware, due to the presence of a technician near his cell working on the camera system, that the cameras had problems, and took advantage of what looked to him like an opportunity to do what he already wanted to do.

The more recently released video doctoring, though, gotta admit that news has definitely renewed my curiosity on the subject. But since it's coming from THIS DoJ, I wouldn't put it past this administration to purposefully create any storyline at this point that will distract from Trumps known relationship with Epstein, and occupy the MSM and conspiracy theorists with some shiny new object to talk about. But yeah, that shit is sketchy AF, no argument from me on that one

Edit: so I dug into this video a bit, and discovered a few points of interest:
1) The missing time is immediately prior to midnight, BUT
2) The ME report estimated Epstein's time of death to have been 4:30am, based on the forensic markers. Ergo, descriptions of this missing time as being 'Epstein's Final Moments' are hyperbole. They are actually almost surely NOT those.
3) The sorts of edits found by metadata analysis *can* (but not at all necessarily) be benign and not indicative of intentional meddling with the contents.
4) However, the labeling by the DoJ calling what they released 'raw footage' is clearly a misrepresentation. Truly raw footage would not show this funky metadata.

Now, as to this part "which sounds like itd be more consistent with a murder.", out of curiosity, where does your expertise come from on that subject? The CME of NYC stated that these multiple bone breaks are common in hangings with older victims because bones become more brittle with age. You have some knowledge to the contrary?

This is called threshold bias and is the result of investigators making up their minds about the case
the minute they walk into the crime scene. And dismissing all evidence to the contrary.

I don't know what really happened. But there are a number of valid theories to consider.

One of my interests in crime scene staging, where a murder is staged to look like suicide, an accident, or kidnapping, etc.
This is done by the murderer or the family of the victim.
This happens more than people realize and law enforcement officials are the best stagers.
They know how to make a crime scene look like suicide.

And FYI coroners and forensic pathologists can be fooled into thinking a murder is a suicide or accident.
Also any pathologist on the case who was federal employee is questionable in their testimony due to pressure
from the Trump regime.

I am also a PhD trained as a scientist. Valid data or theories are not dismissed to fit a preconceived narrative.
You must always follow the data.

It is quite plausible that this was a murder. It would not have been difficult to send two trained men into
Epstein's cell. It would have been easy to hold him down, strangle him with the implement found around his neck,
strangle him in a way to mimic a hanging. The two men could have posed as federal attorneys/investigators, or workmen,
fellow inmates, etc.

Trump had the entire federal govt at his disposal, and there are people quite well trained to do this kind of work
in the federal workforce. They spend their lives training for such events.

The series of coincidences puts the suicide theory into question. As they say, confidences take a lot of planning.

The release of more incriminating data gives Trump more motive. All roads lead back to Trump in terms of the Epstein
child sex ring. It is also a fact that Trump is a vicious, ruthless psychopath who will destroy anyone who gets in is way.

And of course Virginia Giuffre was the victim of notorious high level international figures, so others had motives as well.

That fucking scumbag? French modeling agency owner Jean-Luc Brunel. VERY close with Epstein, fits your description perfectly. Accused of drugging and raping models in multiple cases spanning decades. Lowest of the low. He is the only one on her list where you look at their past and go 'yeah, that dude was internationally notorious, I could see him killing people'.

Know where he is now?

He went into hiding immediately after Epstein was taken into custody in 2019. Arrested in 2020 on sex charges (he was accused of trafficking girls to him, along with other sex crimes, but none of the known Epstein accusers have said they were recruited by anyone but Maxwell or Epstein), and he hung himself in a French prison while awaiting trial in 2022.

That is often what guilty lowlife perverts do. They scurry like rats, and when they're caught, they take the cowards route and kill themselves in jail before they have to face justice. They may have money, but they aren't powerful people with the stones to whack their co-conspirators. They commit sexual abuse because they're WEAK.

But of course, everyone is entitled to their speculation about Epstein

And I remember thinking: Wow, there are a LOT of very powerful, and ruthless people who will want all this to go away.

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And as you'll see below, I've done a lot of thinking on that. In the end, however, there's a number of pretty decent reasons I find that to be much less likely.

Consider that a victim first reported him to the FBI in 1996, the public accusations of sexual abuse by Epstein began in 2007, and he was first arrested for the abuse circa 2008. Then, as part of, and after the Herald story in 2018, there was a deluge of public accusations made by victims, but he wasn't arrested for 7 months.

For completeness, here's a list of Epstein Victims Who Went Public Pre‑Arrest (July 2019) and their first instances of public statements re: his abuse:
* Maria Farmer – Reported to NYPD and FBI in 1996; gave affidavit and interviews made public in early 2019
* Annie Farmer – Also abused in 1996; part of Maria’s affidavit and media reporting in early 2019
* Johanna Sjoberg – First gave interview publicly alleging abuse in 2007
* Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts) – Allegations first made public in 2011, became widely known by 2015
* Courtney Wild – Known as Jane Doe in 2008–2015 court filings; gave on-record interviews in early 2019
* Sarah Ransome – Filed a lawsuit and gave public interviews in 2017
* Michelle Licata – Interviewed by Miami Herald for the 2018 “Perversion of Justice” series
* Teala Davies – Named in civil suits and appeared publicly in late 2018–early 2019
* Jennifer Araoz – Interviewed by NBC News in early 2019
* Marijke Chartouni – Spoke out publicly in early 2019
* Theresa Helm – Spoke in media interviews starting in early 2019

So questions I think are logical to ask are:
1) He was sentenced the first time in 2008. And after the 2018 Herald story, at least, it was obvious to all that there was a good chance he was heading for arrest/prison, but that didn't happen for 7 more months. Why did these actors not take him out when the getting was good, rather than wait until it would be much harder to accomplish, in federal prison?
2) Why would these people think that offing Epstein, without offing any of the young women, was of such benefit to themselves? They are all witnesses, in some ways better ones than Epstein, actually. Certainly more sympathetic and believable, right?
3) Why haven't any of them apart from Virginia Giuffre alleged abuse by anyone other than Epstein/Maxwell themselves (to this day)? At the very least since Giuffre was the one making the most sweeping accusations and had sued Maxwell, she would've been an obvious target if these men were as ruthless as imagined, but she was alive and free to make accusations for many years, and sued Maxwell for what is generally believed to be for some millions of dollars in 2015.
4) As of August 1, 2019, the unsealing of the Maxwell transcripts was known to be 'soon', but the actual date they were coming out was unknown until they dropped the morning of August 9. But planning to discreetly whack Epstein in prison, while under surveillance (remember, it was the *recording* that didn't work, the camera feeds to security booths were working) in such a professional way that it could fool the ME into believing suicide, and there were no witnesses or recordings, would've involved a lot of pre-planning, probably weeks. So did the organizers just get extremely lucky that they were already in a position to execute him with under 1 days notice, in order to have it appear to the world like Epstein offed himself in response to them being released?
5) If these people were bold, organized, and powerful enough to pull off such a sophisticated job in a federal prison, why not 'suicide' Maxwell as well? Why is she still walking and talking?

In my view, Occam's Razor strongly suggests that the documents dropped, Epstein knew 'this is the end', and took himself out. The 'hit job' storyline involves a lot of questions that defy easy answers, and an awful long string of actions executed with perfect success avoiding a lot of potential points of failure, any one of them dooming the operation to failure or exposure.

But then again, 9/11 was much the same in that regard, so it's not impossible

By MICHAEL R. SISAK and Michael Balsamo
Published 12:30 AM EDT, June 2, 2023
Excerpted from a lengthy Associated Press investigation. FWIW, sounds to me like he lost his mind.

NEW YORK (AP) — Two weeks before ending his life, Jeffrey Epstein sat in the corner of his Manhattan jail cell with his hands over his ears, desperate to muffle the sound of a toilet that wouldn’t stop running.

Nearly four years later, the AP has obtained more than 4,000 pages of documents related to Epstein’s death from the federal Bureau of Prisons under the Freedom of Information Act. They include a detailed psychological reconstruction of the events leading to Epstein’s suicide, as well as his health history, internal agency reports, emails, memos and other records.

During an initial health screening, the 66-year-old said that he had 10-plus female sexual partners within the previous five years. Medical records showed he was suffering from sleep apnea, constipation, hypertension, lower back pain and prediabetes and had been previously treated for chlamydia.

The night before Epstein’s death, he excused himself from a meeting with his lawyers to make a telephone call to his family. According to a memo from a unit manager, Epstein told a jail employee that he was calling his mother, who’d been dead for 15 years at that point.

https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-prison-death-8d194a756f2b429067f009a0c70f96c0

Link to detailed psychological reconstruction:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23832108-epstein-psych-reconstruction/

Should be easy to figure out right? It wasn't his mother...

This thread is the first I learned that Epstein met with his attorneys a day before his death. The meeting would have taken place in a conference room. The circumstances of Epstein leaving the room are intriguing. The protocols for inmates placing phone calls should also be reported. (I am thinking that this federal facility would allow such privileges freely, but there would be a queau at the phones.) Also in need of reporting is to whom Epstein mentioned that he wished to place a phone call. I hope more details come out.

The pedo posse king of perpetual projection lied that he did not know he was on the list
The AG has been covering up that lie and the Speaker of the House also knew/knows that he is on that list.

This makes Watergate look like child’s play.
Perhaps the June 9 stumble is a metaphor
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ILYURHyiaRQ