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PeaceWave

(1,799 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 05:11 PM Wednesday

Avocado toast and "Gig Politics" - Gen Z is going to completely upend the social and political contract...

Brunch with my grandniece is a droplet of sunshine on an otherwise overcast day. We do this, at a restaurant of her choosing, once a month. What began as a mentorship quickly became more of a collegial exchange across the generations and something that I very much look forward to. Reality is that the girl's sharp as a tack and has the kind of internal gyroscope that a cat would admire. Come the fall, she's headed off to college where she'll be better prepared than I was at her age.

I've arrived early and have ordered my go to eggs Benedict off the menu when she swooshes in right on the hour. Emily Post once said that timeliness is our way of showing others that we respect them. Thankfully, my grandniece gets that. Plaid bell bottoms, a floral print top and bucket hat only partially hiding a bob haircut, she's a vintage clothing shop tableau from the 60's, 70's, and 80's. "Sup" to me and "The garden special and a side of avocado toast" to the waiter.

"How's the job going?" Leaning forward in her chair, a girl named for a character in an F. Scott Fitzgerald novel declares "In the rear view mirror." A clerical position in a law firm, it's the third job she has started and quit this summer. "Oh?" It's the best I can manage without wanting to sound judgemental. "I got what I wanted in the shortest time possible." Curious. "And what's that?" She's far more confident than I was at her age. "Well, now I know I never want to be a lawyer. That's for sure."

While I'm still digesting her conclusion, arrived at in all of a month, our plates arrive. She starts in on the avocado toast and her world view. "If I'm going to surrender my freedom to an employer, then I have to consider what I get out of it in exchange." Life as a contract. I'd forgotten that her summer reading list includes the likes of Rousseau, Locke and Hobbes. She might not want to be a lawyer, but she's clearly developing the transactional nature of one. "Everything's a gig. And, with AI coming, there's no time to waste." She's 18 and sees her life quickly slipping away.

The eggs Benedict are good but I failed to request the Hollandaise sauce on the side, so I'm digging out from under. "What about politics?" Are loyalties there a short term gig? I know she's politically aware but don't have a full sense of where she stands. "Gig politics. I like it. I'm taking that." She quickly taps something into her iPhone. For all I know, tomorrow it will have gone viral. "You're asking Trump vs. Mamdani. Fascism vs. Socialism. Is that right?" Like her third summer job, Hitler and Stalin are in the rear view mirror, replaced by two newer political figures still battling over the same old issues of power and capital.

The girl who has yet to vote has moved on to her platter of fresh fruits and vegetables. "Most people in my generation are politically neutral. We're fluid. We're waiting to see what we're offered. And, we don't just want words. We want real action." The words carry an unspoken accusation..."Your generation, Mom and Dad's generation, you all failed us." The world according to Gen Z could go Trump's way. It could go Mamdani's way. It could go some altogether different way that none of us can now comprehend. The only sure conclusion is that the political landscape is only beginning to be upended, a water glass jostled, tottering, still undecided whether and in whose lap it might fall.

When brunch is over, I pay with a credit card and include a cash tip. 18% seems fair. My grandniece pulls an extra $5 out of her purse and plops it atop my own tip. Her first job this summer was as a waitress. That lasted all of a week. From which she learned to be a more giving person. Outside the restaurant, I ask her if she needs a lift home. "Thanks. But, I'm meeting up with a friend." My reply is casual. "Shopping?" The clouds have begun to part. She's a sunflower, turning towards the sun. "Maybe. Or, maybe we'll rob a bank. Gotta keep you guessing."

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Avocado toast and "Gig Politics" - Gen Z is going to completely upend the social and political contract... (Original Post) PeaceWave Wednesday OP
It IS their future, after all. Think. Again. Wednesday #1
Only 18 ... Tarzanrock Wednesday #2
Sounds Rebl2 Wednesday #7
I had been through 4 jobs by the time I was 18. progressoid Wednesday #8
Yeah, but you probably started work at 15. Igel Wednesday #9
18 and to 20 probably 4 jobs for me. JanMichael Wednesday #11
brave newer world nt et tu Wednesday #3
Wow!!!!!! FHRRK Wednesday #4
Yeah, but her view is basically JFK's inverted. Igel Wednesday #10
You get out of democracy what you're willing to put into it. Basso8vb Wednesday #5
I love her. WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #6
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Wednesday #13
I don't get the criticism of her in this thread. Sounds like a bunch of grumpy old people, whom I might say, I am one Cheezoholic Wednesday #12
So rather than join the fight ..... FHRRK Wednesday #14
"You failed us" What BS! ... electric_blue68 Wednesday #15

progressoid

(51,669 posts)
8. I had been through 4 jobs by the time I was 18.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 07:03 PM
Wednesday

That was 44 years ago.

Grocery store clerk
Lifeguard
Farmhand
Construction/Painting

Igel

(37,015 posts)
9. Yeah, but you probably started work at 15.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 07:22 PM
Wednesday

Instead of at the start of your senior year in high school.

Personally, I a lot of my seniors that I watched graduate in June (teachers work graduation) were absolute numbskulls. Two were planning on buying a house and spent review time looking on sites like Zillow and Redfin, starting in the $400k range. They'd get jobs at a grocery store and apply for a mortgage forgiveness program that they heard about after 10 years. (!?!) In any event, the mortgage payments would be cheap and between the two of them they could afford it.

One raved on about how we wronged the USSR, where they had freedom of speech, public ownership meant everybody had a good job, and the country was prosperous and free. Hitler was wrong, of course. But the USSR was a great place to live. "And the prison camps?" They knew nothing about them. Or repressions. Or censorship. Or ... Most things. Unless TikTok said it, it wasn't real.

Years ago one said that the imperialist war in Vietnam had the highest US casualty rate of any war in history and the bloodiest. So said her history teacher. I had her stop what she was doing in *my* class to do a bit of research and she realized that it was way down on the list. Way, way down. "I can't believe my teacher lied to me." Yeah, well, believe it--he probably knew just what *his* professor lied to him about.

JanMichael

(25,674 posts)
11. 18 and to 20 probably 4 jobs for me.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 07:49 PM
Wednesday

Publix

Chucky Cheese

Jordan Marsh

GNC

Oops

Runner for an attorney

Walmart for an opening then they played the anti union video and I quit

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FHRRK

(1,158 posts)
4. Wow!!!!!!
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 06:11 PM
Wednesday

She is politically neutral and wants solid promises prior to committing! If a lot of her peers think that way, then we need to start unwinding this experiment of the U.S. democracy.

She ignores 100 years of history.

Getting her right to vote.
Democrats fight for equal pay.
Democrats fight for racial equality.
Democrats fight for marriage equality.
Social Security
Workers rights
The fact the economy always is better under Dems.

I could go on and on, and as a person who has gotten jack shit from the Govt other than $7,500 of student loans back in the 80’s, which were fully paid back, I am offended by her views.

As a straight white male, should I take similar stances? Only support politician that immediately benefit me?



Igel

(37,015 posts)
10. Yeah, but her view is basically JFK's inverted.
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 07:23 PM
Wednesday

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you!

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Cheezoholic

(3,144 posts)
12. I don't get the criticism of her in this thread. Sounds like a bunch of grumpy old people, whom I might say, I am one
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 07:59 PM
Wednesday

Youthful political cynicism is absolutely essential. There's a lot of what she speaks of that's true and our generations have let them down. We've been pissing in the water and the air our entire lives with such disregard that they have no choice but to face an all but certain catastrophic climate future no one has prepared them for. They face a future where there are 2 to even 3 times (depending on your age) as many people on this rock as were when we were her age. Just those 2 things amongst 100 more are enough to be happy they're not curled up under the table.

I mean there was a long time I looked at my mom and the hippies and asked what the hell did you do? You didn't win. I had 8 years of a 3rd rate monkey actor as president then 4 years of his monkey as one when I got out of high school. College was ripped from my out stretched hands. I did the suck it up bud and be happy you gotta job bit and it nearly killed me.

Of course I grew out of those things, grew to understand that I can't change it by myself and I deserve some happiness in this life and that I shouldn't feel guilty if I choose to play the capitalist game for awhile so I and my family can have some halfway decent things. But at the same time I learned I could make a small differences and that in small ways I could help change things for the better.

As my personal responsibilities began to lighten my political and social responsibilities became a larger part of my life, and I think, thats how it should be. We can't expect our young people to get it out of the gate. It just takes time for someone, anyone for that matter, to get their ducks in a row and find that path. Personally I still am. And I hope it continues in that manner.

They have to make their own mistakes and you sound like your doing a grand job of allowing that with your grandniece. When you said she shows up on time, every time, well I'd say half the battle is won. She sounds wonderful and so do you. I wish you both all the best

FHRRK

(1,158 posts)
14. So rather than join the fight .....
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:26 PM
Wednesday

she claims to be politically neutral!

What will you do for me immediately!

FUCK THAT!

You want to know what pissed me off the most?

She had to throw down another $5 after her Great Aunt tipped 18% and paid for her damn meal. A niece or great niece did that to me, her ass is never getting another meal on my dime.

From the narrative she comes across as an entitled Republican.

You want to know what I was doing when I was 18? Working two jobs to save money for college. I walked into college as a 6'1", 160 lb skinny kid. I walked out of college as a 6'1" 145 lb kid with a degree. She exhibits zero of that fortitude.

Fucking Avocado toast and she critiques the generations before her! Girl needs to understand how she is able to order that and not state, "what is in it for me"

You know how many times I had $5 avocado toast, maybe once and that would have been a mistake. I have eaten more dry toast than this supposed girl ever has.

Then to blame the grumpy Boomers!

FUCK THAT!

Now I am fully aware that "Avocado Toast" is a RW talking point, and truthfully question the validity of the post. With that, can't believe anyone defends her. (real or not)

Call me grumpy, or call me a realist.

Edit to add: I have posted, in the last 24 hours, that I support the youth movement. But god damn it, they need to understand history, and they need to be willing to fight, not state that what is in it for me immediately.


electric_blue68

(22,656 posts)
15. "You failed us" What BS! ...
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 10:38 PM
Wednesday

No "blanket" "failure" crap!

Blame the people who could have done something in some of their spare time, but didn't.

I'm not talking about some people who have have such an awful single job, or 2 jobs and truly come home beat, and have their family to deal with.

Plenty of activists, and semi-activists doing stuff for decades!

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