Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
13 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The more things change... (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 10 hrs ago OP
At least CBS was more honest when they canceled The Smothers Brothers' show. sop 10 hrs ago #1
This is on a completely different scale MadameButterfly 10 hrs ago #2
Nixon was president SocialDemocrat61 10 hrs ago #3
And we all know what happened to Nixon! PatSeg 7 hrs ago #5
Sorry. I stand corrected MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #10
No he just tried to subvert an election SocialDemocrat61 7 hrs ago #11
Yes, he was willing to cheat for his own careeer MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #12
LBJ supported the Smothers Brothers mac56 8 hrs ago #4
I didn't know that. Remarkable given the fact that the Seeger sounds that a caused the cancellation called him a Martin68 7 hrs ago #8
Johnson, the Smother's Brothers, and Pete Seeger MadameButterfly 6 hrs ago #13
. BoRaGard 7 hrs ago #6
I remember the Smothers Brothers cancellation all too well. It still smarts. American TV was blatantly censored Martin68 7 hrs ago #7
The more things change. . . UniqueUserName 7 hrs ago #9

sop

(15,238 posts)
1. At least CBS was more honest when they canceled The Smothers Brothers' show.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 07:37 AM
10 hrs ago

Back then CBS said the show's criticism of the Vietnam War and government policy was too controversial, there were frequent battles over censorship and the network regularly edited or deleted portions of the show they deemed offensive. Now they're saying Colbert's show isn't profitable.

MadameButterfly

(3,290 posts)
2. This is on a completely different scale
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 07:52 AM
10 hrs ago

There was no the threat then that it was the beginning of a string of firings and the end of free speech.
Johnson was not using his power to influence the sensoring of the Smother's Brothers to end democracy.
Walter Cronkite was safe.

MadameButterfly

(3,290 posts)
12. Yes, he was willing to cheat for his own careeer
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:55 AM
7 hrs ago

and power but he didn't aspire to permanent dictator status. It wouldn't have occurred to me to give him credit for that back then.

Martin68

(26,182 posts)
8. I didn't know that. Remarkable given the fact that the Seeger sounds that a caused the cancellation called him a
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:36 AM
7 hrs ago

"big fool." What support did LBJ provide? Why was the show cancelled anyway?

MadameButterfly

(3,290 posts)
13. Johnson, the Smother's Brothers, and Pete Seeger
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:24 AM
6 hrs ago

My political awareness began a little after that, though I did go to a Pete Seeger concert in San Jose in 1968 where he debuted the song
"Waste Deep in the Big Muddy". It was lost on me then, but I learned later that importance of that song and the impact it had on Peter Seeger's career, The Smother's Brothers, and the Viet Nam war.

Johnson did complain about some Smothers Brother's criticism, such that Pete Seegeer's "Waste Deep in the Big Muddy" which was critical of Johnson was erased from the taping when it aired. There was so much controversy over the censorship that Seeger was allowed a few months later to come back on the show and sing the song. Two days after that Walter Cronkite called on Johnson to pull out of the war in Viet Nam.

Yes, it was under Nixon that the show was cancelled. I don't know if Johnson would have forgiven given that it influenced him pulling out of the race. Given Nixons shenanigans would Johnson have come around by then?

Great article about all this:
https://prospect.org/culture/recalling-pete-seeger-s-controversial-performance-smothers-brothers-show-50-years-ago/

Thanks to the OP to all of you who remember.

Martin68

(26,182 posts)
7. I remember the Smothers Brothers cancellation all too well. It still smarts. American TV was blatantly censored
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:34 AM
7 hrs ago

by a government that could not abide criticism of the Vietnam War. Not even an anti-war folks song by Pete Seeger. The song didn't even mention Vietnam by name - although everybody knew who he was talking about:

"We were waist deep in the Big Muddy, and the Blg Fool said to push on."

For the who don't know, the song referred to the Ribbon Creek Incident in which six Parris Island Marine Corps recruits died during a night march through a swamp due to the negligence of their Staff Sergeant Matthew McKeon. McKeon was found guilty of possession and drinking alcohol on duty and of negligent homicide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_Creek_incident

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The more things change...