I am not sure why anyone would have an issue with this post. You/The interview stated facts of the court's ruling. Nothing kooky about that.

Thank you, Oilem.

This video popped up on my YouTube home page. UKLFI Charitable Trust had just posted it. I'd never seen it, so I thought I'd bring it here and, ya know, poke the bear a bit.

How are you She? Doing well, I hope?

Ah, the bear woke for a moment only to be told to take a seat by their peers.

*sigh*

I am doing okay, the best I can do in these times. It's hard for all of us. It really is good to see you again, Oilem.

Led by Donkeys on UKFLI and its "charity": https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMNs0rEI26M/

Jonathan Turner is scum: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/10/uk-lawyers-for-israel-condemned-over-claim-war-may-reduce-obesity-in-gaza

Here's an embedded clip straight from the BBC.

The court didn't rule Israel was committing genocide, but also didn't rule they weren't and didn't dismiss the charges as Israel wanted. The court granted most of the requests for Israel to stop doing things that do fit the definition of genocide.

How often does the ICJ feel the need to say a group has the right to be safe from genocide without there being a significant threat of it?

And really if you're arguing that "it's technically not ruled genocide yet", you're not really making a compelling affirmative case for being a good actor. Sure Hamas sucks but this isn't a good defense.

“What we’re doing has not technically been ruled genocide as of right now!”

Not a catchy bumper sticker, but oh well.

arguments from other authorities that Israel is indeed committing genocide in Gaza.

TY in advance.

for you. I checked the organizations listed with https://mediabiasfactcheck.com which conducts a thorough and transparent analysis of bias and reliability.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-extermination-acts-genocide-gaza

https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-accuses-israel-of-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/israel-gaza-genocide-netanyahu-rcna183485

https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/growing-consensus-on-israels-atrocities-in-gaza/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza

You are citing activists.

predictably you pretended to be interested in facts and other interpretations of those facts, but had already decided on your one version of reality and were not ever going to consider an alternative view. You, sir, are the narrow-minded activist. I believe there is room for debate on the issue of genocide in Gaza. I happen to have come to the conclusion it is indeed clearly genocide based on numerous arguments presented by experts and scholars in the field. I notice you imply that only a "legal" authority can present valid interpretations of genocide - that is an extremely narrow and unsupportable view.

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BTW, I am neither a "sir" nor a "narrow-minded activist." And I certainly know the meaning of the word authority in this context. We just disagree as to the applicable authority. That's no reason to resort to personal insults.

that narrow point of view, but scholars and others who have studied the history of genocide have as much authority to identify genocide as the legal authorities that are empowered to take legal action against the perpetrators of genocidal crimes. If you wish to abrogate your own ability to reason and leave it up to the World Court or the UN to identify genocide, that is your choice. It is not mine.

I am not the one "abrogating the ability to reason."

Israel has done since then.

What the hell is wrong with people? Tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been slaughtered since this ruling 2 months into the war.

BiBi literally went on TV with Trump and said their plan explicitly. They are going to kill or expel 100% of the people living in Gaza, so they can sell their land to their real estate friends. It is the definition of ethnic cleansing and genocide. They’re killing dozens of civilians a day who are lining up for food. It is an absolute evil being perpetrated by a far Right government in Israel.

Everyone should be appalled people are still defending it, especially with nonsense like this from 18 months ago. Shame on you.

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Serbs were ethnically cleansed out of their ancestral homeland of Kosovo by the ethnic Albanians of Kosovo, killing over 1,000 Serbs in the process, and nobody gave a shit. In fact, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice proudly announced the US recognized Kosovo's independence from Serbia in 2008, thus rewarding the ethnic cleansing.

between the two is that ethnic cleansing can refer to the relocation of an ethnic group without killing them, while both genocide and ethnic cleansing can refer to killing all the members of an ethnic group to remove them from a particular location or population.

What has the ICJ said since then?

From your link:

Can you explain what's funny about if that's genocide or just indiscriminate mass killing including repeatedly firing on people gathering to get food rations? Because best case scenario there's still a whole lot of dead and severely injured people.

Like I said up thread, if you're reduced to arguing that Israel is only committing mass killings and starvation and not technical genocide you've already lost any claim that the country is acting morally.

I'm not making fun of anything other than the use of a cite which wholly disproves the assertion. That's been funny since I was in grade school and it remains so.

That you've suggested I find genocide funny is part of the dangerous semantics game used by those who continue to catapult Iranian propaganda. To be frank, it's, at best, you who are trivializing these allegations by suggesting that anyone other than a clinical sadist would find them anything but reprehensible.

BTW, I'm not arguing anything other than that the ICJ has taken the position that there has never been a plausible case of Israeli genocide. Look up. It's right there in the title!

But keep telling yourself that you aren't diminishing the needless suffering by focusing on a technical definition of one group only saying that Israel needs to stop doing things that would be considered genocide (which they are not stopping like blocking aid). And so you have nothing but effectively saying "I'm rubber and you're glue" and accusing me of spreading Iranian propaganda.

Partisans of either side, Israel or Palestinian, seems capable of arguing in good faith or acknowledging anything negative about their side. It's disingenuous and only perpetuates the tragedies.

You can dissemble and pretend that your title inculcates against this being in a larger context, but that's simply not a believable claim. Not much thought is in complete isolation. You clearly are posting this because it bothers you that people are accusing Israel of genocide and instead of talking about what is happening on the ground, you make a fairly irrelevant but technically true point to distract from events on the ground.

is sick. We are facing death camps former PM Olmert himself says are designed for ethnic cleaning, that Defense Minister Katz says will eventually hold all 2 million Gazans. It’s as comedic as the Final Solution, which is exactly what this is. There is nothing funny about any of it.

For passersby, this is some context on the camp in Rafah: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20503002

Any more than tsf is The United States of America. He does not speak for me/ a majority of us any more than 'Yahu' speaks for all of Israel.

not responsible for the conduct to the war, the same was true of Germans who did not support Hitler's genocide. So, don't blame "Germany, blame Hitler?" It doesn't work that way. I don't feel responsible for Trump's fascist conduct of a war agains immigrants but I'm afraid the United States, as a country, does indeed bear the responsibility for his actions. The same is true of Israel. I know the many Israelis and Jews are opposed to Netanyahu's handling of the war. I don't blame them - I love them. But Israel must take the blame for the decisions of the head of state, just as the US must take the blame for Trump's actions. Until the military mutinies or the people of Israel forcibly remove Netanyahu from office, that will remain true.

Ah... those were heady days, right?

If the charges are bogus, they should have no problem defending against them.

This is really upsetting me tonight.

Hi Cha! Hope all is well.

But Israel is the country and the country, under the leadership of Bebe, is absolutely committing genocide. Of course that doesn't mean that every person who is Jewish is committing genocide. But Israel, the country, is. If Donald Trump ordered out military to do what the military of Israel is doing, we would 100% say that the United States is committing genocide even though I, a US citizen, am not.

It's not that hard unless you are trying to obfuscate.

It only has jurisdiction over individuals who are nationals of countries that are State Parties to a treaty known as the Rome Statute. Neither the US nor Israel are State Parties to the statute.

vid.

It's heartbreaking that so many wanted to teach VP Harris and Pres Biden a "lesson" and followed those who promoted "Leave it Blank" and "uncommitted"..

We were even told to "enjoy trump" by this Stupid Mayor that "endorsed" the Traitor.

now, not in 2024. The Israeli government is constructing a camp for 600,000 Gazans in Rafah, which they then plan to expand to contain all 2 million Palestinians. Israeli Defense Minister Katz says the Gazans will not be allowed to leave alive, unless they leave Palestine altogether. Former Israeli PM Olmert calls them concentration camps designed for ethnic cleaning. That’s not a Hamas spokesman, but the former Prime Minister of Israel.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/07/14/middleeast/israel-gaza-ehud-olmert-concentration-camp-intl

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/07/israeli-minister-reveals-plan-to-force-population-of-gaza-into-camp-on-ruins-of-rafah

The plan is so evil, even the IDF resists it.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-said-to-warn-against-gaza-humanitarian-city-ex-pm-brands-it-concentration-camp/amp/

But Israel is nonetheless forging ahead

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/7/16/israel-presses-ahead-gaza-concentration-camp-plans-despite-criticism

We are talking about 2 million souls. This is a human rights atrocity of historic dimension.

As citizens of the world, we have a responsibility to inform ourselves on that which we defend.

Hamas is mere pretext. Also notice this video is from 2024 and is not current. The situation is now far more dire because of the planned death camp in Rafah.

This is as evident as the wetness of water.

Ethnic cleansing. Blood-thirsty, indiscriminate reprisal murders. The execution of untold numbers of relief workers and journalists. Thousands upon thousands forced to endure suffering and inhumanity and death. So much horror to assuage egos — it’s absolute evil.

And then there’s the matter of Palestinian children and their worthless lives. Unforgivable. Unforgettable.

Thank you.

Bad enough to be a generic Jew, right?

You may be comforted by such statements, but it doesn’t mean the truth is found there.

Tens of thousands of dead innocent Palestinian children would disagree.

But it is reprehensible for a country to target civilians. I wholeheartedly support the elimination of hamas i also know that Israel has the ability to get surgically precise when they want to be. I will always support their right to exist but the current netanyahu government is leading Israel down a path that will hurt the country in the long run