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Mossfern

(4,101 posts)
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:10 PM 13 hrs ago

I have a question - it's sincere and I'd appreciate thoughful answers- no snark

Do you think if the remaining hostages in Gaza were returned to Israel in a respectful way that it would allow for Israel to withdraw while saving face? Do you think it will further the peace process? Isn't that the main concern of the Israeli government? Apparently keeping them is not helping their cause.

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I have a question - it's sincere and I'd appreciate thoughful answers- no snark (Original Post) Mossfern 13 hrs ago OP
I would answe 'no' to all your questions. Netanyahu could care less about hostages. He's determined to wipe out sinkingfeeling 13 hrs ago #1
Events will reveal themselves, once the IDF leaves ... marble falls 13 hrs ago #2
I doubt it but it would be amazing to try, efhmc 13 hrs ago #3
Netanyahu's main goal is to stay in office and out of jail, hostages be damned DavidDvorkin 12 hrs ago #4
That's kind of what I'm thinking. Mossfern 12 hrs ago #5
I believe netanyahu is only interested in taking the land and resources of Gaza.... Think. Again. 12 hrs ago #6
And by whatever, we both know he's totally capable of any sort of "whatever". marble falls 12 hrs ago #7
Yeah, smallpox infected blankets are so 1776. Think. Again. 12 hrs ago #10
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Ping Tung 12 hrs ago #8
At one point i would have said yes. Samael13 12 hrs ago #9
No, none of that would help, unfortunately obamanut2012 12 hrs ago #11
How would it put Hamas out of business in Gaza? Frasier Balzov 12 hrs ago #12
No to all. This is Netanyahu's Final Solution of the Palestinian Problem surfered 12 hrs ago #13
To Netenyahu, there are no innocents in Gaza... haele 11 hrs ago #18
I think it's gotten beyond that particular point Torchlight 12 hrs ago #14
Are any Hamas leaders still alive? Bmoboy 12 hrs ago #15
IMHO: possibly, but Hamas are accelerationists so they'll let Gaza burn if it hastens Israel's downfall 0rganism 12 hrs ago #16
no, no, and no mike_c 12 hrs ago #17
No, returning hostages won't allow for anything unless BB is in jail and not replaced by another war monger uponit7771 11 hrs ago #19

sinkingfeeling

(55,933 posts)
1. I would answe 'no' to all your questions. Netanyahu could care less about hostages. He's determined to wipe out
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:17 PM
13 hrs ago

all Palestinians in Gaza.

marble falls

(67,044 posts)
2. Events will reveal themselves, once the IDF leaves ...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:18 PM
13 hrs ago

... as if Netanyahu would ever withdraw them. IDF over kill in Gaza takes the attention off Netanyahu's other dirty secrets.

DavidDvorkin

(20,257 posts)
4. Netanyahu's main goal is to stay in office and out of jail, hostages be damned
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:25 PM
12 hrs ago

However, if all the hostages were returned, the pressure from the Israeli public to end the war would become overwhelming. He would have to accede or see his government fall.

Mossfern

(4,101 posts)
5. That's kind of what I'm thinking.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:28 PM
12 hrs ago

The hostages are really of no use to Hamas any more and there would certainly be intense pressure to withdraw. Not everyone in Israel is eager to participate in the IDF in this instance. People will serve, because it's their duty, but I think that many will push for withdrawal.

Think. Again.

(22,412 posts)
6. I believe netanyahu is only interested in taking the land and resources of Gaza....
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:30 PM
12 hrs ago

....and will do whatever to remove the current occupants.

Ping Tung

(3,046 posts)
8. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:36 PM
12 hrs ago
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Samael13

(44 posts)
9. At one point i would have said yes.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:36 PM
12 hrs ago

Netanyahu wants to keep this going so he cant be held accountable for his crimes and now has a like-minded person in the white house unless someone in the Israeli government forces Netanyahu out and Trump suffers major losses in the midterms the only way this ends is in a total war on the middle east.

Frasier Balzov

(4,465 posts)
12. How would it put Hamas out of business in Gaza?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:43 PM
12 hrs ago

Since putting Hamas out of business in Gaza is Israel's stated goal?

surfered

(7,992 posts)
13. No to all. This is Netanyahu's Final Solution of the Palestinian Problem
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:44 PM
12 hrs ago

With no empathy for the innocents.

haele

(14,407 posts)
18. To Netenyahu, there are no innocents in Gaza...
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:30 PM
11 hrs ago

His and his political allies occasional use of "Amalek" imagery pretty well shows they have no intention of giving anyone living in Gaza the benefit of any doubt of guilt. They're all Hamas, likewise, any Arab living in the West Bank is an enemy.
Ultra-orthodoxy and the desire to retain some semblance of political relevancy to maintain power is driving these events - on both sides.

Torchlight

(5,138 posts)
14. I think it's gotten beyond that particular point
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:50 PM
12 hrs ago

Releasing hostages would be a sign of good faith, but given the intransigence and self-serving actions of those taking the hostages for their own purpose, I doubt it would occur.

Should it happen though, I think most on all sides would just rationalize "can't stop now, the Rubicon's already been crossed" and the mess goes on, the fingers get more pointed, and we mostly see only what best suits out own biases.

0rganism

(25,249 posts)
16. IMHO: possibly, but Hamas are accelerationists so they'll let Gaza burn if it hastens Israel's downfall
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:52 PM
12 hrs ago

Netanyahu and Hamas appear to be aligned on the destruction of Gaza and the extermination of its residents. The Big Beautiful Trump Golf Resort that arises in place of Gaza City will become a nasty orange stain on the history of the nation of Israel and an albatross around the neck of every Jew on the planet.

So even if a hostage return could help the situation resolve peacefully, neither side of the conflict benefits from this so it's quite unlikely -- both sides will sabotage such efforts while trying to frame the other side in the worst way possible. We'd need to see a third party take decisive action for a hostage return to be viable.

mike_c

(36,626 posts)
17. no, no, and no
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:02 PM
12 hrs ago

No snark. I believe Israel's goal is genocide of the Palestinian refugee population in Gaza and complete annexation of the West Bank. Regardless of their pretending otherwise, I believe they intend total annihilation of the descendents of the refugees.

I once thought very highly of Israel. No more.

uponit7771

(93,093 posts)
19. No, returning hostages won't allow for anything unless BB is in jail and not replaced by another war monger
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:32 PM
11 hrs ago

Then MAYBE there's a chance at peace

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