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Pototan

(2,739 posts)
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 01:17 AM Yesterday

Legal Filipino Cruise Ship Workers Arrested in Virginia


NORFOLK, Virginia — At least 18 Filipino workers “were forcibly removed in handcuffs” from a cruise ship docked at the Port of Norfolk in Virginia, deported to the Philippines and banned for 10 years from reentry to the United States, Filipino American community leaders said on Saturday.

According to the National Federation of Filipino American Associations (NaFFAA) and the Pilipino Workers Center (PWC), the raid happened only recently and was conducted at the Carnival Sunshine cruise line by agents of US Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

The workers, who have not been charged or found guilty of any crime, were removed “in an alarming escalation of unjust immigration practices,” the two groups said in a joint statement.

They also noted that the workers had valid 10-year visas.



https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/other/ph-workers-removed-from-cruise-ship-in-us-raid/ar-AA1IXjuz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=687dcaafc700414080726fa5f7c0da1d&ei=17
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Legal Filipino Cruise Ship Workers Arrested in Virginia (Original Post) Pototan Yesterday OP
I can hear the ICE defense fujiyamasan Yesterday #1
"They folded a towel MurrayDelph 15 hrs ago #6
They can't make their 'deportation' numbers if they don't deport innocents. NotHardly 15 hrs ago #10
Must have been notorious gang members terrorizing the seas tulipsandroses Yesterday #2
When they are still on the ship Figarosmom 22 hrs ago #3
As long as they are within US waters (12 nautical miles) Pototan 22 hrs ago #4
That's not quite true. hunter 15 hrs ago #9
Desperate blubunyip 19 hrs ago #5
Filipinos make up many, if not most, cruise ship employees mainer 15 hrs ago #7
ICE accused them of possessing child pornography dalton99a 15 hrs ago #8
I don't believe a word ICE says. yardwork 15 hrs ago #12
But authorities have no evidence mainer 15 hrs ago #14
If I were a cruise ship, I might think twice about docking usedtobedemgurl 15 hrs ago #11
That is going to complicate the business. yardwork 15 hrs ago #13
But you cannot operate a ship without a full crew. usedtobedemgurl 14 hrs ago #15
Exactly. And I suspect that a lot of cruise customers are Trumpsters. yardwork 14 hrs ago #16
Yup. usedtobedemgurl 14 hrs ago #17
Not so fast. mainer 13 hrs ago #18
You're probably right about Disney and Viking. yardwork 13 hrs ago #19
CBP evidence against one crew member: a photo of his own baby in the bath mainer 12 hrs ago #20
More commentary from another site: mainer 12 hrs ago #21

tulipsandroses

(7,689 posts)
2. Must have been notorious gang members terrorizing the seas
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:18 AM
Yesterday

Captain Jack Sparrow is their leader.

Figarosmom

(7,002 posts)
3. When they are still on the ship
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:55 AM
22 hrs ago

Is that considered US soil? An they still work for Carnival Cruises then as long as they don't get off the boat in the States?

Pototan

(2,739 posts)
4. As long as they are within US waters (12 nautical miles)
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:05 AM
22 hrs ago

they come under US legal jurisdiction. They would be safe if it was international waters.

If there was no jurisdiction except on land, there would be no need for a Coast Guard.

hunter

(39,671 posts)
9. That's not quite true.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:52 AM
15 hrs ago

If ICE grabbed crew members off Chinese, Japanese, or Korean freighters there would be hell to pay.

Sadly, it may come to that.

For now they are preying upon the weak. The government of the Philippines and the cruise lines are not likely to toss any matches at the gasbag king.

blubunyip

(242 posts)
5. Desperate
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 07:03 AM
19 hrs ago

To meet the quotas.

I can’t defend the environmentally disastrous Carnival cruise ships, filling the oceans and atmosphere with contaminants, including dumping all their plastic waste. They get away with violations everyday. But this is not right. The Filipino workers work on American ships doing grueling jobs they can’t get enough Americans to do for slave wages, starting as low as 1000 a month. More disgusting ICE brutality.

So is this happening in Miami also? Seattle?

mainer

(12,372 posts)
7. Filipinos make up many, if not most, cruise ship employees
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:44 AM
15 hrs ago

And those ships are largely staffed with foreign workers. Why were just the Filipino workers arrested? Why not the employees who were East European or Turkish or South American? Are they next?

This is insane. Cruise ships cannot operate without foreign workers. Maybe it's time for them to avoid any and all American ports.

dalton99a

(89,472 posts)
8. ICE accused them of possessing child pornography
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:49 AM
15 hrs ago
https://www.pilotonline.com/2025/07/20/cruise-ship-workers-detained-deported/

Twenty-one employees of cruise ships have been detained — and some deported — while their ship was docked in Norfolk by federal authorities who accused them of possessing child pornography, immigrant advocates alleged Sunday morning.

Customs and Border Protection officers, escorted by Carnival Cruise Line security staff, detained the crew members in a series of raids dating to April, advocates said, to their downtown office a few blocks away.

mainer

(12,372 posts)
14. But authorities have no evidence
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:02 AM
15 hrs ago

from the article:

"Soriano Versoza said the cases in Norfolk are unlike previous cases of cruise ship employees involved with child pornography...
When accused crew members ask to see evidence that would incriminate them, authorities have nothing to show, she said."

And kind of funny, don't you think, that possession of child porn is limited only to the Filipinos and not to the thousand other foreign workers on the boat. I think this is specific targeting of the lowest workers on the rung, the ones who are most helpless to defend themselves. Plus, of course, racism.

Also, when ICE boarded the ship, how did they know ahead of time that these people possessed child porn? Or did they just pull the workers they wanted to abuse and make the accusations after the fact?

usedtobedemgurl

(1,771 posts)
11. If I were a cruise ship, I might think twice about docking
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:53 AM
15 hrs ago

In the US. Who wants to leave with a 1/3 of the crew or more gone? You need every worker on a ship.

yardwork

(67,249 posts)
13. That is going to complicate the business.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:02 AM
15 hrs ago

There are cruise stops in every port of the U.S.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,771 posts)
15. But you cannot operate a ship without a full crew.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:02 PM
14 hrs ago

What if some of these folks are integral to the ship moving? Engineers and such. The ship does not have multiple stand-ins for every position. And if they are service people on the ship, customers will get impatient with different things.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,771 posts)
17. Yup.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:08 PM
14 hrs ago

I figure folks going to court sessions, Home Depot Lots and cruise lines are easy pickings. The cruise line raids will become more popular with the government, unless bribes are paid to rump. It could put them out of business in the U.S..

mainer

(12,372 posts)
18. Not so fast.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:45 PM
13 hrs ago

I just got off a Disney cruise with the grandkids. Passengers from all over the world -- Europe, Asia, south America. Disney, being Disney, is incredibly LGBT-friendly and our dining room steward happily chatted about his husband. Entertainment by gay-friendly performers.

And Viking river cruises? I've never met a denser concentration of Trump haters in one place. They're travelers. They've been out in the world. They know how the rest of the world feels about Trump.

yardwork

(67,249 posts)
19. You're probably right about Disney and Viking.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:46 PM
13 hrs ago

But this was a Carnival cruise ship.

mainer

(12,372 posts)
20. CBP evidence against one crew member: a photo of his own baby in the bath
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:01 PM
12 hrs ago

These arrests have been going on for awhile, including in the Great Lakes, with scant evidence of actual child porn.

"Update to the Great Lakes Cruise ship detentions. The CBP video below shows CPB, not ICE, detaining 9 crew in Detroit. The June 20 video claims the crew were removed for child pornography. The photo used for evidence was the crew's own child being given a bath in a bassinette from 2008."

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2025/07/articles/pornography/customs-and-border-protection-again-detain-and-deport-crew-members-this-time-from-victory-cruise-lines/

mainer

(12,372 posts)
21. More commentary from another site:
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 02:07 PM
12 hrs ago


"
Crew Are Vetted by International Agencies
This is especially puzzling because all crew are culled and vetted by international agencies. In Victory’s case, that is the Anglo-Eastern Group, who work in tandem with U.S. Customs and Border Patrol. This is in addition to them being vetted by their home countries. For the Filipino workers, that initial vetting is done by the equivalent of the FBI in the Philippines. Once cleared, these crew members are issued special work visas called C1D’s that are mandatory for employment on U.S. based ships.

During the Victory I incident, which occurred in open view on the Detroit River Walk, a female cabin attendant from Nicaragua was seen being detained. It was later relayed through another crew member that she is close with that she refused to sign the “confession” papers and was forced to spend the night in a place termed “the tunnel” and ultimately sent back to her home country, but thankfully not some remote prison.

One waiter on Victory I was allegedly accused of child pornography based on a photo he posted of his infant son in a bassinet in 2008. Despite his informing the CBP agents that the image was of his own son, his visa was revoked and he was deported.

In another case, I was informed that “the CBP let one of the accused stay because he was an engineer and the ship would not have been able to leave port without him. The captain was told he better get a replacement as when the boat got back to Detroit, that engineer would be removed.”

My contact shared that “Crew morale is terrible. Some are thinking of leaving now while they still can. If too many leave, the boats can’t sail. Passenger mood is subdued. The captain has met with the passengers and crew. None of the crew is to talk to the media.”

https://quirkycruise.com/crew-members-removed-from-victorys-two-ships/
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