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Pototan

(2,760 posts)
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:08 PM Jul 20

Where is the Gaza outrage in the US?

I'm talking about this "relief" effort headed up by an American non-profit. This atrocity moves huge amounts of starving people into a kill zone in which hundreds are gunned down by the IDF.

Who's paying for this? Who appointed the people administering this program? How much responsibly does the Trump Administration have?

These are the questions I'd like to see shouted to the piece of shit who currently resides in the White House.

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Where is the Gaza outrage in the US? (Original Post) Pototan Jul 20 OP
At this point I think a lot of people are more focused on the fascist takeover of their own country. BannonsLiver Jul 20 #1
I think most Americans Pototan Jul 20 #2
If they could, a fascist takeover of our own country wouldn't be occurring in the first place. W_HAMILTON Jul 20 #7
That's incorrect. muriel_volestrangler Jul 21 #64
lol all evidence to the contrary. BannonsLiver Jul 20 #27
"Most" ?? NO--- possibly only about 50 percent Jack Valentino Jul 20 #32
Isn't about "50%" Pototan Jul 21 #36
TBH, I am struggling every damn day.... Happy Hoosier Jul 22 #78
Agreed JustAnotherGen Jul 21 #53
I think the vast majority of Americans have some opinion on Gaza Polybius Jul 20 #3
Americans did seem to have a strong, priority position Pototan Jul 20 #4
Funny how that all died out after tsf won. sheshe2 Jul 20 #11
Has anyone heard a peep from Jill Stein? Pototan Jul 20 #12
She crawled back under her rock from whence she came. sheshe2 Jul 20 #15
fyi Be Leave On Jul 21 #38
Could you link me to any Pototan Jul 21 #40
Yes, what a surprise. BannonsLiver Jul 20 #28
IKR!? sheshe2 Jul 20 #31
Right? mcar Jul 21 #58
It's almost as if a switch was flipped to the off position. sheshe2 Jul 21 #59
Oh, but Jill Stein is posting both sider shite on Musk's hellsite mcar Jul 21 #62
Almost like it was manufactured outrage.... NT Happy Hoosier Jul 22 #79
Trump has given us much else to worry about. Intractable Jul 20 #14
I'm guessing that you markodochartaigh Jul 21 #34
Over on X - lots of Americans have it a top priority womanofthehills Jul 21 #57
Kicked out of college. Kid Berwyn Jul 20 #5
The press should ask the questions Pototan Jul 20 #9
You asked about Jill Stein - I just saw some of her X posts womanofthehills Jul 20 #20
I don't see Trump's name in these tweets Pototan Jul 20 #30
Dear God, she's using Gaza to push her "both sides are the same" bullshit. SunSeeker Jul 21 #33
she's done enough damage, now just rubbing it in LymphocyteLover Jul 21 #35
Atrocities would be the correct term B.See Jul 20 #6
Agreed Pototan Jul 20 #10
So what would it take to actually get to that point of indefensibility, if we're not already there yet? TheRickles Jul 21 #52
The point of my comment ISN'T B.See Jul 21 #69
Got it - apologies for misunderstanding your comment. TheRickles Jul 21 #70
Being silenced by Trump and Netanyahu. Initech Jul 20 #8
Palestine attacked Israelis civilians. Now they are stuck Melon Jul 20 #13
How many children need to be murdered Pototan Jul 20 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 20 #18
In the meantime Pototan Jul 20 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #43
Exactly. Hamas is responsible for putting civilians in harm's way. Oopsie Daisy Jul 21 #49
"Palestine" did not attack Israeli civilians. AloeVera Jul 20 #19
Sure it did. October 7, 2023. They killed, raped, tortured Melon Jul 20 #22
Never mind. Have a nice evening. AloeVera Jul 20 #24
Perhaps you should ready some of the forensics. sheshe2 Jul 21 #41
"Five men" UpInArms Jul 22 #76
That was Hamas BlueSpot Jul 20 #29
I agree it's gone to far. But Hamas is the Palestinian people. Since 2007 Melon Jul 21 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 21 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #47
No. For a start, over half of Palestinians in the occupied territories live in the West Bank, not Gaza muriel_volestrangler Jul 21 #67
Post removed Post removed Jul 21 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #55
The mental health of these societies is not the point right now. AloeVera Jul 21 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #68
I nearly fell off my chair reading the title of your post (in a good way)! AloeVera Jul 21 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 22 #75
What a fucking heartless thing to say. Condoning war crimes. Its shameful erodriguez Jul 20 #23
So was 10/07. sheshe2 Jul 21 #42
So the systemic starvation and collective punishment of innocent people are justified? erodriguez Jul 21 #45
I did not say that, now did I. sheshe2 Jul 21 #60
And that's a permanent blank check for Bibi's deliberate campaign of civilian murder, is it? Orrex Jul 20 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #51
I would imagine that it's difficult to be a Palestinian, too. Orrex Jul 21 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #65
Really? atreides1 Jul 21 #56
If there is no "land called Palestine" Mossfern Jul 22 #82
Well, there's plenty of outrage over Gaza right here. Intractable Jul 20 #17
One consequence of Gaza outrage in the US is shitting in the White House Martin Eden Jul 20 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #48
"Americans got exactly what they wanted" Martin Eden Jul 21 #50
Aw man, the whole thing is just heartbreaking. calimary Jul 21 #37
K&R spanone Jul 21 #44
I feel like there's no way for that outrage to get through. If we had elected Kamala, she could have done Scrivener7 Jul 21 #54
buried under anti-semitism? WhiteTara Jul 21 #63
The rage burned out raging against the Biden Admin's inability to control Israel's war. maxsolomon Jul 21 #72
Or maybe they know they'll be doxxed, intimidated, kicked out of college, jailed, deported, lose their jobs? AloeVera Jul 21 #74
JVP and WOL aren't in college maxsolomon Jul 22 #80
Yeah, sure... AloeVera Jul 22 #81
Right now, I'm wondering.... Happy Hoosier Jul 22 #77

BannonsLiver

(19,441 posts)
1. At this point I think a lot of people are more focused on the fascist takeover of their own country.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:14 PM
Jul 20

W_HAMILTON

(9,381 posts)
7. If they could, a fascist takeover of our own country wouldn't be occurring in the first place.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:38 PM
Jul 20

There's also the inconvenient truth that much of the sentiment surrounding what was happening in Gaza was artificially generated to use as a cudgel against Biden and then Kamala.

Now that those same views aren't generating the same sort of social media engagement, those same views aren't as prevalent. Funny how that works.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,220 posts)
64. That's incorrect.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:54 AM
Jul 21
Americans are increasingly skeptical of Israeli actions in Gaza, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS that also finds rising sentiment that the US should pull back on military aid to Israel.

Only 23% of Americans say Israel’s actions have been fully justified, a 27-point drop from a October 2023 poll taken shortly after Hamas’ October 7 attacks. Another 27% now say those actions have been partially justified and 22% say that they have not been justified at all. In October 2023, just 8% said Israel’s actions were not justified at all.

This drop cuts across party lines but is far larger among Democrats and independents. Since 2023, the share of Democrats who say that Israel’s actions have been fully justified has dropped from 38% to just 7%, the share among independents from 45% to 14%, and the share among Republicans from 68% to 52%.

Since this March, the share of Democrats and Democratic-leaning adults saying that the US provides too much military aid for Israel has risen from 44% to 59% while the share of Republican-aligned adults saying that has stayed steady at 24%. Democratic-aligned adults under the age of 35 are particularly opposed to US military aid to Israel, with 72% saying the US is doing too much, including 43% who say that the US should stop aid to Israel entirely and another 29% saying that it should reduce the amount of military aid.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/18/politics/cnn-poll-israel-support

The views are more prevalent than ever; it's just that you personally aren't seeing the social media talk about them.

Happy Hoosier

(9,025 posts)
78. TBH, I am struggling every damn day....
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:37 AM
Jul 22

... to remain productive and not give in to spare. I do not have a lot of extra energy.

JustAnotherGen

(35,978 posts)
53. Agreed
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:42 AM
Jul 21

ETA - my country has reports coming out from Dachau like *Detention Centers* in place like Louisiana.

Polybius

(20,607 posts)
3. I think the vast majority of Americans have some opinion on Gaza
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:24 PM
Jul 20

However, not enough to put it in their top 5 or even top 10.

Pototan

(2,760 posts)
12. Has anyone heard a peep from Jill Stein?
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:20 PM
Jul 20

I know she does paid speaking engagements to friendly audiences, but she no longer says controversial things like the "President is engaging in "Genocide". I'm told that even during these infrequent occurrences she's pretty tame, and still no criticism of Putin.

She did her job,,,,again.

Pototan

(2,760 posts)
40. Could you link me to any
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:40 AM
Jul 21

criticism of her pal, Vlad Putin, the war criminal?

Putin is committing the same atrocities in Ukraine as the IDF is in Gaza.

Beside that, I don't read a quote from Jill Stein, just a press release from the "green party".

Other people are quoted, but not her. Interesting

mcar

(44,976 posts)
58. Right?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:06 AM
Jul 21

No more protesting in front of the White House. No cutesy names for TSF.

Gee, I wonder why?

sheshe2

(93,026 posts)
59. It's almost as if a switch was flipped to the off position.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:24 AM
Jul 21

Then boom! Not a single protest.

mcar

(44,976 posts)
62. Oh, but Jill Stein is posting both sider shite on Musk's hellsite
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:48 AM
Jul 21

so see, nothing has changed.

womanofthehills

(10,065 posts)
57. Over on X - lots of Americans have it a top priority
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:06 AM
Jul 21

Our media doesn’t. Today a kindergarten was targeted. I’m having a hard time with our Congress voting for more money for Israel without a statement like - no food for the children of Gaza, no money - at the least!

Times of Gaza -

Israel bombed a kindergarten in Gaza, resulting in injuries among the children.


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

Little kids don’t understand why there is barely any food
Little Roz screams in hunger with nothing to eat, after two years of siege and starvation in Gaza.


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

Pototan

(2,760 posts)
9. The press should ask the questions
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:52 PM
Jul 20

and if American citizens are afraid to protest, we have serious problems here, also.

womanofthehills

(10,065 posts)
20. You asked about Jill Stein - I just saw some of her X posts
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:12 PM
Jul 20

She’s pretty active on X. I’m glad to see she is posting a lot about the genocide.

“EVERYONE is now starving in Gaza, children, elders, healthy adults, even doctors are collapsing mid shift in hunger. Yet weeks of food relief is prepositioned & ready to go in a heart beat.

“Without US aid to Israel, this would be over now.
It's in our hands.”


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

SunSeeker

(56,247 posts)
33. Dear God, she's using Gaza to push her "both sides are the same" bullshit.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:01 AM
Jul 21

And giving Elon clicks on X to boot!

Jill Stein is an idiotic Putin puppet.

B.See

(5,975 posts)
6. Atrocities would be the correct term
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:32 PM
Jul 20

and I would think it is increasingly getting to the point where one would be hard pressed to defend it.

TheRickles

(2,887 posts)
52. So what would it take to actually get to that point of indefensibility, if we're not already there yet?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:29 AM
Jul 21

Just curious - how much worse would it have to get? No more remaining buildings, no more surviving Gazans, etc.?

B.See

(5,975 posts)
69. The point of my comment ISN'T
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:31 PM
Jul 21

that we haven't already gotten there, but that there are those who are still trying to defend it.

TheRickles

(2,887 posts)
70. Got it - apologies for misunderstanding your comment.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 03:52 PM
Jul 21

Though I wonder what it would take to convince those others....

Melon

(636 posts)
13. Palestine attacked Israelis civilians. Now they are stuck
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:23 PM
Jul 20

In the aftermath of those actions.

Pototan

(2,760 posts)
16. How many children need to be murdered
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:30 PM
Jul 20

for there to be enough revenge?

Collective punishment is a war crime.

Response to Pototan (Reply #16)

Response to Pototan (Reply #26)

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
19. "Palestine" did not attack Israeli civilians.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:11 PM
Jul 20

Assigning collective guilt and inflicting collective punishment is a war crime.

Of course those are the views of the Israeli government too, and the "aftermath" of those views are the 17,000 + dead children, 9000+ dead women, who knows how many other civilians, the highest per capita child amputees in the world in a place with scant medical care; and starvation, human suffering and deprivation on a scale that should be unacceptable in a "civilized", rules-based world - though of course YMMV.

Melon

(636 posts)
22. Sure it did. October 7, 2023. They killed, raped, tortured
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:18 PM
Jul 20

And kidnapped civilians. They killed 1200 in cold blood. Kidnapped 240. Videotapes of the atrocities exist if you look. They found children in an oven.

Are you shocked that those they attacked seem to have lost patience and humanity? Was this attack on civilian a war crime?

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
24. Never mind. Have a nice evening.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:36 PM
Jul 20

There were no children baked in ovens - or hanging from clotheslines or decapitated either (but there actually are many of those in Gaza).

You might want to look at the meaning of collective punishment and why it is a war crime. You might want to look up "atrocity propaganda " too.







sheshe2

(93,026 posts)
41. Perhaps you should ready some of the forensics.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:53 AM
Jul 21
Children were shot and burned alive on October 7, forensic evidence shows
Police cyber and forensics teams work tirelessly collecting hundreds of thousands of video clips and testimonies across communities near the Gaza border to uncover facts about Hamas' brutal killing of children. Warning: viewer discretion is advised


https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjqyi11q0r

Israel turns to DNA and dental imprints to identify unrecognizable bodies

SHAPIRO: More than a thousand bodies have been brought here - truck after truck full of human remains, people who were murdered when Hamas stormed across the border from Gaza into Israel on October 7. Rabbi Weisberg breaks down as he describes in detail the conditions some of the bodies arrived in - burned and mutilated.

WEISBERG: (Through interpreter) Young girls, elderly women raped, soldiers and citizens whose heads were chopped off.

SHAPIRO: Many of the people identifying and caring for the dead are military reservists. They have day jobs as civilians. But since the attack, they've been here - like a dentist named Mayon (ph). She identifies people's remains by their dental imprints.


https://www.npr.org/2023/10/17/1206601854/israel-turns-to-dna-and-dental-imprints-to-identify-unrecognizable-bodies

Attackers laughed as they raped and murdered a woman in Israel on October 7, witness says

Five men came out of the van and captured a woman, ripping off her clothes as they formed a circle around her. One raped her and killed her with a knife. Then he raped her again, said Raz Cohen, a survivor of Hamas’ murderous rampage in Israel on October 7.

But the United Nations and human rights organizations were slow to denounce the reports of rape and mutilation against Israelis – mostly girls and women but also men. And Hamas has denied its fighters committed sexual violence during the coordinated attacks.

The UN agency UN Women released a statement in December condemning the attacks and saying it was “alarmed by the numerous accounts of gender-based
atrocities and sexual violence during those attacks.”


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/04/middleeast/sexual-assault-october-7-israel-witness-int/index.html


Ah, so it is just "atrocity propaganda " .







UpInArms

(53,188 posts)
76. "Five men"
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:32 AM
Jul 22

Please tell me which of the children are responsible?

Not to be argumentative, just wondering why the children should be targeted.

BlueSpot

(1,135 posts)
29. That was Hamas
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:53 PM
Jul 20

And Israel kicked their asses for it. Now they are going way too far. A people that once faced the reality of genocide but survived is now pushing genocide on another people. It's just too damn far extreme than making up for the Hamas attack. This is now nothing more than a land grab with a side of genocide. If that is antisemitism then I guess I just am. Not that I ever was before.

Then I remember how Trump does not, in any way, represent my opinions or views. Perhaps the majority of Israelis feel the same about Netanyahu. I don't know.

Melon

(636 posts)
39. I agree it's gone to far. But Hamas is the Palestinian people. Since 2007
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 12:14 AM
Jul 21

It’s not different. They control Gaza but the Palestinian people protect and support Hamas.

Response to Melon (Reply #39)

Response to Melon (Reply #39)

muriel_volestrangler

(104,220 posts)
67. No. For a start, over half of Palestinians in the occupied territories live in the West Bank, not Gaza
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 10:08 AM
Jul 21

And that's not counting those who live in Israel, or other countries like Jordan or Lebanon, but might move to a Palestinian state if it had independence. Gaza hasn't had an election since 2006.

Saying "Hamas is the Palestinian people" is just ignorant.

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #67)

Response to AloeVera (Reply #19)

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
66. The mental health of these societies is not the point right now.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:59 AM
Jul 21

If it were, you could excuse the actions of October 7th. After all, in 2009 or so, it was found that Gaza's children had the highest level of PTSD in the world. Some of these children, especially the orphans, grew up to participate in October 7th. But that is an excuse because nothing justifies Oct 7th, right? Not the 17-year blockade, not the land theft in the WB, not the fact that they were subjected to daily violence and brutality on and on. Nothing, right?

I don't know what the settlers excuse is except they covet Palestinian lands because "God gave it to them" - but they sure are sick people.

The point right now is to stop the daily killing, the ethnic cleansing plan already being implemented, the starvation and destruction. Yesterday 67 starving people were shot and shelled to death by the "felt threatened" IDF, hundreds injured, as they looted an aid truck of flour. Why did they do that? Israel won't let in nearly enough food. 19 people including children DIED of starvation in the last day. The IPCC warns that 22% of Gaza's population is facing CATASTROPHIC levels of hunger. That is the stage at which people stop dropping dead. Only in a genocide does this happen. It is man-made entirely and it's the height of evil.

I don't know about you, but all this fills me with disgust, outrage and infinite sorrow for these people. So please I don't want to hear both-sides-ism. There is only one side committing this evil for nearly 2 years now and as long as we're still engaged in both-sides-ism, and collective guilt/complicity moral lapses, it won't stop.

But if you think all of Israeli society is responsible for the actions of the settlers, just as you imply all Palestinians are responsible for Hamas - does that mean that you would also "understand" why Palestinians would go on a rampage killing all Israeli civilians they could on Oct. 7th? Obviously they too thought all Israelis were "complicit" in what they have suffered for 75 years... Plus PTSD!!

Of course not. Because you can clearly see murdering Israeli civilians for revenge is wrong. Yet you are still engaging in explaining why all Palestinians are complicit, your point being - whether you realize it or not - to excuse or rationalize THEIR unjust killing for revenge.

What I've seen revealed consistently from Israel's defenders and supporters is a very telling double standard where Palestinian lives are not valued equally to Israeli lives. If they were, there would be no excuses or justifications for Israel's brutality towards them.

Response to AloeVera (Reply #66)

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
73. I nearly fell off my chair reading the title of your post (in a good way)!
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:24 PM
Jul 21

Thank you for that, it is so refreshing and good to read. It's the "understanding" part that I wish more people could at least attempt to do. Every time I tried to say that here, you would think people thought I had two heads for even mentioning it!

Neither side is all good or all evil, I agree with that assessment! They are each dealing with the cards they've been dealt in different ways. Now if only they could see the other side as not purely evil - "animals"! - that would be a start.

When I criticize Israel it is not because I think Israel is "evil". It is because, based on the evidence I see, Israel is doing things that by any measure would be considered "wrong" at least, if not "evil". I did the same thing during GWB's Iraq war. Though I did think Bush was evil as I think Netanyahu is too.

It doesn't matter to me which side is doing the "evil", it needs condemning. If tomorrow Hamas started bombing civilians or starving them, I would condemn that too. As I condemn the killing and torture of civilians on October 7th and the rockets that indiscriminately killed during and afterward. I'm an equal opportunity condemner, you could say. It just seems like I am "biased" against Israel, but only because it is the one doing all the killing of innocents since October 8th!

Unfortunately Israel is not going to withdraw from Gaza nor is it going to let the Palestinians remain on their land. Every fact on the ground points to that. The time for speaking up against Israel's occupation and war on Gaza is past. It's too late. Had more people spoken out, say 18-20 months ago, when it was already becoming clear what the real plan was, it might have made a difference. But now, it makes no difference what your position is, it's already a done deal. Gaza is gone.

Response to AloeVera (Reply #73)

erodriguez

(902 posts)
23. What a fucking heartless thing to say. Condoning war crimes. Its shameful
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:33 PM
Jul 20

Israel is starving people. Then shooting them when they try to get food.

This is a war crime.

Orrex

(65,655 posts)
25. And that's a permanent blank check for Bibi's deliberate campaign of civilian murder, is it?
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:46 PM
Jul 20

Must be nice to write off daily atrocities so easily.

Response to Orrex (Reply #25)

Orrex

(65,655 posts)
61. I would imagine that it's difficult to be a Palestinian, too.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:45 AM
Jul 21

In part because I'm not sure that they have any real way to get rid of Hamas.

Response to Orrex (Reply #61)

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
56. Really?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:54 AM
Jul 21

And where exactly is the mythical land you call Palestine? According to so many it doesn't exist and never has...regardless of what history has shown!

Just for future reference...it was Hamas and several other organizations that attacked an Israeli settlement...not Palestine!

Mossfern

(4,172 posts)
82. If there is no "land called Palestine"
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:26 PM
Jul 22

then it stands to reason that there are no Palestinians. No?

There was, however the "Palestinian Territory" that was occupied by both Jews and Arabs.
C'mon now - you know the history.

I believe the "Palestine" that people refer to now-a-days is Gaza and the West Bank - areas that are proposed
to be the Palestinian State. I do think the UN recognizes it as such. What else would you call it.

Maybe I misunderstood your post.

As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.

Intractable

(1,182 posts)
17. Well, there's plenty of outrage over Gaza right here.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:34 PM
Jul 20

And plenty of sadness over the loss of Israel being well thought of.

And plenty of sadness over the loss of world favor for the United States.

Martin Eden

(14,667 posts)
21. One consequence of Gaza outrage in the US is shitting in the White House
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:13 PM
Jul 20

I can't say for certain that outrage at "Genocide Joe" tipped the election, but it certainly was a factor.

Now we are flooded with one outrage after another right here at home, with the loss of our democracy hanging in the balance.

Don't get me wrong. I am not transferring blame onto Palestinians in Gaza, whose suffering is orders of magnitude more horrific. Nor am I suggesting their plight should not be a priority on the international docket.

But we are even more powerless to stop the horrors in Gaza than we are to stop the destruction of our government by the Trump regime. In fact, defeating this regime is the only way to change US policy towards the Israeli government.

Response to Martin Eden (Reply #21)

Martin Eden

(14,667 posts)
50. "Americans got exactly what they wanted"
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:23 AM
Jul 21

Americans believed a multitude of lies. When FAFO really kicks in as the economy tanks and they lose (or pay more for) health insurance, ask them if that's what they wanted.

Drinking my OJ now, coffee and a bagel come next.

Scrivener7

(56,539 posts)
54. I feel like there's no way for that outrage to get through. If we had elected Kamala, she could have done
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 08:47 AM
Jul 21

something about it. But those Americans whose direct friends and relations are now being slaughtered were the very same Americans who went out of their way to trash Kamala's election prospects.

So now what are we supposed to do?

maxsolomon

(36,978 posts)
72. The rage burned out raging against the Biden Admin's inability to control Israel's war.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jul 21

I'm sure Lefty College Kids, JVP and WOL are still very angry, but they're not out there being confrontational.

Maybe they know it's futile to demand anything of this Admin?

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
74. Or maybe they know they'll be doxxed, intimidated, kicked out of college, jailed, deported, lose their jobs?
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 11:50 PM
Jul 21

Their degrees withdrawn/held?
Put on a blacklist?
Sent to Sudan?
Ostracized as an anti-semite and their professional life ruined?

The rage didn't burn out. It's smoldering and channelled in ways hard to predict. But for sure the college kids got a lesson on the power dynamics in this country and how the world really works.

And I think you mispelled *unwillingness* in your title.

maxsolomon

(36,978 posts)
80. JVP and WOL aren't in college
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 12:55 PM
Jul 22

Last edited Tue Jul 22, 2025, 01:39 PM - Edit history (1)

but they're not in the streets either. The US Left has turned inward, towards our domestic crisis.

I didn't "misspell" at all. The US President doesn't dictate military policy to Israel - least of all a Democratic US President dealing with a Likud Israeli leader, and certainly not after 10/7. Biden stood by Israel after that atrocity, and Netanyahu exploited that support.

Now Israel has an even free-er hand, but they don't know how to end this siege.

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
81. Yeah, sure...
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 01:55 PM
Jul 22


Netanyahu was never held to account. He should have been publicly shamed and called out for all his manipulations wirh the ceasefire negotiations.

The Red Line of Rafah turned out to be nothing but words. It was supposed to lead to withholding of arms if the line was crossed. The line was obliterated, with no consequences.

Don't know how to end the siege? What an interesting way to describe mass murder, though the mass starvation element is on point.

The problem is not in not knowing how to stop but not WANTING to. Not until the ethnic cleansing to Libya or whichever hellhole is completed. First, whatever is still left of Gaza must be completely destroyed. The IDF and private contrsctors with bulldozers are working hard on that, including with bombs, controlled demolitions and bulldozers. When an army's main job becomes destroying civilian infrastructure... we have arrived at complicity in ethnic cleansing..

Meanwhile Netanyahu is working hard on sabotaging the current ceasefire negotiations. The recent announcement of the "humanitarian city" aka concentration camp and the actual announcement of plans to expel Gazans to whatever country will take them is sure to scuttle negotiations again, as planned. Disgusting.

Here is an interesting article that sheds light on the "inability" vs "unwillingness" aspect.
https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/

Happy Hoosier

(9,025 posts)
77. Right now, I'm wondering....
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:35 AM
Jul 22

,,, If my security clearance will be pulled because I am insufficiently loyal to the sitting President.

... and wondering if my wife's tenured professorship at a red state University is about to be eliminated.


In short, we have our own shit going on.

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