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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsplease, Please, PLEASE indict Barack Obama
I dare you.
Lincoln once said that the best way to be rid of bad law is to force it's vigorous enforcement. Same thing with bad people. Force them to absurdity. They'll go there; they just need a push. The keys to your victory are contained in the opponent's absurd behavior.
I was a mediator for years, and experience has taught me the above. A person's true character is revealed in negotiation. Your understanding (or lack thereof) of the opponent's character, and it's usefulness to your arguments, will be the difference between gain and loss in the negotiation.
Democrats should demand an Obama indictment, and a jury trial. They should call for it daily until such time as one comes down, or they shut the fuck up. If they indict, the real fun begins, and lasts through the 2026 elections. They got nothing , and nothing will get your butt kicked all over a courtroom. If they decline to indict, their base gets to eat shit on yet another issue.
Win/win. Please don't throw me into that there briar patch.

Hotler
(13,358 posts)Prairie Gates
(5,706 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(33,186 posts)But I dont think people will react the way we obviously think they should, I dont think people are going to go to the necessary level we need to effectively destroy the Maga universe insanity.
Too many others just dont fucking care, theyll figure well he mustve done something to deserve it.
Fox News and others will say well theres something here, even CNN and MSNBC will do that because they are now owned by the billionaires that are working with the piece of shit.
For instance I am certain they are going to take our Social Security and Medicare money and theyre going to say its because of something Biden did and people will react angrily but in the end but theyll just do nothing, theyll get away with it.
I want to be wrong, trust me I want to be.
Miner Grandaddy
(5 posts)And share, your fear of the issue being manipulated through media. Please let me try to provide my reasoning.
In my experience in conflict management, a pattern repeats in the midst of any conflict. The side that perceives it is losing in the negotiation shows an increased emotional response, and begins to abandon central tenets of it's core argument in favor of more loudly proclaiming it's general righteousness. Trying to raise the temperature of the conversation, in order to distract from the real issues.
That tactic is amazingly effective with folks who are not trained in conflict management (as we see with most of the maga and maga-adjacent). They buy into the hotter temps, and add their own to the mix. Doesn't solve any problem, but it lets off some steam.
To a trained ear, it just tells me that you fear you're losing.
I'm an African-American man, in an interracial marriage, with bi-racial adult children. Given those facts, the events of the past decade have been disconcerting, to say the least.
And yet, the human part of me (the part that is independent of my descrptors, and common to us all) simply will not allow me to exhibit fear in the face of intentional chaos and tyranny.
The magas make the most noise when they're most scared. We can't fall for the okey-doke. They can rage and froth while we are simultaneously fine. Our heart rates need not rise a beat. Raging and frothing will wear my ass out quick, but I can be fine for a long, long time. Think sprint, but don't forget about the marathon.
Mr. Obama and I were born 18 hours apart. As a fellow Leo, I have a sense of the fight in him. Defending an indictment wouldn't be fun, but it would be useful. Best of all, his defense would be grounded in facts, in the truth, and those work good in court.
I believe we must resolutely stand on truth. Sometimes it hurts, but there's no freedom like it.
malaise
(286,770 posts)If you think this white supremacist regime dont want to put a noose around the only Afro-American Presidents neck, you arent paying attention.
No! No! No!
Karma13612
(4,786 posts)Celerity
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tman
(1,238 posts)But it is harrasment and slander that is once again going unanswered.
ProudMNDemocrat
(19,896 posts)For he will chew you up and spit you up without breaking a sweat.
Or did Pammy B forget that former President Obama is a Constitutional scholar and expert?
cadoman
(1,486 posts)He's been out of office for over a decade.
Mad_Machine76
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lostnfound
(17,089 posts)The thing about us liberals is we believe in individual freedom and in respect.
The Obamas gave their best to the US for 8 years in the White House and served honorably.
They deserve to have a private life or pursue other goals.
He is not a pawn to be used in some political game.
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,465 posts)Jacson6
(1,435 posts)lastlib
(26,329 posts)Haven't you heard that?
And presidents have immunity. Th' soupreme court sez so.
So he can't be indicted.