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speak easy

(11,986 posts)
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 06:58 AM Sunday

The Obvious: Murdoch has decided to take Krasnov down.

Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:07 AM - Edit history (1)

How and when the Journal reveals more, and Fox News starts to flip is up to Rupert, but there is no other explanation for revealing the birthday letter at the end of the second week of the Epstein Files scandal.

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The Obvious: Murdoch has decided to take Krasnov down. (Original Post) speak easy Sunday OP
You would think by now they would both be dead. gordianot Sunday #1
Only the good die young Maeve Sunday #8
Nah, we're being played. Hugin Sunday #2
What was the secret Trump mentioned? mzmolly Sunday #19
Yeah, but BoRaGard Sunday #21
Yes, it will play a part in the dissolution of his cult. Hugin Sunday #24
Dont forget Elon Musk said it too. IcyPeas Sunday #3
See my post below yours, gab13by13 Sunday #5
He better pack a lunch. gab13by13 Sunday #4
"no missiles to Ukraine"? You haven't read about how it will be done. The 2028 law is not an issue. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #7
Most of my news comes from listening to people speak on freespeechtv.org gab13by13 Sunday #9
The NATO deal is straightforward and immediately available. I have no idea if the sanctions will happen or when. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #13
You need to diversify and improve your news sources. Getting most of yours from one dubious source is not informed. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #17
I'll believe if I see it. It is not obvious at all. A letter is not going to do it. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #6
Death by a thousand cuts, gab13by13 Sunday #10
It is an easy out to say Putin this, Putin that. No proof is offered. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #15
He's probably starting to affect Murdoch's bottom line. GoCubsGo Sunday #11
Murdoch is just following orders gab13by13 Sunday #12
That's malarky. Prove it. Actors w same goals is not proof and you haven't proved Murdoch has such a big goal either.nt Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #18
Problem is the USA is being destroyed and even if people don't like vance much, it won't mucifer Sunday #14
He's meeting now with Vance in Montana. Weeks after Vance met with Musk and others in Montana. Scrivener7 Sunday #16
Vance visited Murdoch. viva la Sunday #20
Shady V WmChris Sunday #22
JD attempting to pre-empt a Court trial? ProudMNDemocrat Sunday #23
There is another obvious explanation- distraction from the GENIUS Act, Fiendish Thingy Sunday #25
Disagree. speak easy Sunday #26
Did you mean to post your reply twice? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #28
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Sunday #27

gordianot

(15,632 posts)
1. You would think by now they would both be dead.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:03 AM
Sunday

The dead fighting the dead. Rest in peace does not apply.

Hugin

(36,613 posts)
2. Nah, we're being played.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:06 AM
Sunday

The WSJ, Fox, and Murdoch are in on an Epstein distraction from… Wait for it… Epstein.

In a manner consistent with picking the least terminal of afflictions to portray Trump as having, they sorted through what could be seen as being from the so-called Epstein Files for the biggest meh document they could find and make a big headline grabbing deal of it. The drawing described may be in poor taste, but it can be waved off as Trump being Trump. It has nothing to do with the accusations of pedophilia and human trafficking and may have even been provided by Trump himself.

BoRaGard

(6,391 posts)
21. Yeah, but
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:33 AM
Sunday

Trump has shot his cred wad, so to speak. Around this. With a lot more people.

That's something.

Hugin

(36,613 posts)
24. Yes, it will play a part in the dissolution of his cult.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:18 AM
Sunday

But, he doesn’t need them anymore.

gab13by13

(28,877 posts)
4. He better pack a lunch.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:14 AM
Sunday

My opinion about the Epstein hits on Krasnov is that it originates with Putin. You won't find a link, just my opinion.

Musk started this right after Krasnov started trash talking Putin over Ukraine. Krasnov threatened to do a deal where the EU bought US arms to be shipped to Ukraine. Krasnov talked about putting sanctions on any country that does business with Russia.

I guarantee that Putin has the goods on Krasnov and Epstein. I also guarantee that Musk let Krasnov know what will happen if he makes that deal with the EU and does the sanctions.

There will be no Patriot missiles sent to Ukraine as a matter of fact Congressional Magats have written a bill to not send any weapons to Ukraine through 2028. There will be no sanctions on Russia.

The close ties between Krasnov and Epstein is no secret, it can be proven, but it has been covered up until Krasnov threatened Putin.

I'm also sure that Putin has dirt on Murdoch. The war was going badly for Putin, Russia's economy is tanking and Krasnov threatened to make it worse so his puppet master had to pull his strings.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,163 posts)
7. "no missiles to Ukraine"? You haven't read about how it will be done. The 2028 law is not an issue. . . . nt
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:36 AM
Sunday

gab13by13

(28,877 posts)
9. Most of my news comes from listening to people speak on freespeechtv.org
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:44 AM
Sunday

Do you have a date when the Patriot missiles will be shipped, or a date for any other arms? If Krasnov had a deal with the EU why did Congressional Magats write a bill to not send any arms to Ukraine?

When will the sanctions be put on countries that deal with Russia? Do you have a date?

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,163 posts)
13. The NATO deal is straightforward and immediately available. I have no idea if the sanctions will happen or when.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:59 AM
Sunday

Nor can I find any info about this ban you heard about. You'll have to share a link with us because I can't find one and I haven't heard explicitly about such a specific ban.

The missiles thing is NATO, not EU.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,163 posts)
17. You need to diversify and improve your news sources. Getting most of yours from one dubious source is not informed.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:10 AM
Sunday

Bias Rating: LEFT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fstv-freespeech-org/

gab13by13

(28,877 posts)
10. Death by a thousand cuts,
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:50 AM
Sunday

The NY Times has an article out today about a party at Mar-a-Lago featuring young calendar girls, has the name of the business financier of the party who was shocked when the only other guest to the party was Jeffrey Epstein.

Krasnov's best attribute is his ability to control the narrative and he is losing it physically and mentally over the Epstein news cycle that won't go away. This is one of the biggest problems for Krasnov during his term, making light of it misses the point.

Putin is driving this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,163 posts)
15. It is an easy out to say Putin this, Putin that. No proof is offered.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:04 AM
Sunday

I'm not talking about 2016. I'm talking about 2025.

It's always easy to invoke a grand manipulator in the shadows and offer no direct real evidence. There are many ways in which this Epstein thing is unfolding and none of them have anything to do with purported Russian manipulation of US media giants.

GoCubsGo

(34,079 posts)
11. He's probably starting to affect Murdoch's bottom line.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:55 AM
Sunday

And, that of Wall Street, itself. They all are aware of the economic forecasts, which, thanks to Trump's actions, are predicted to be devastating to business (and the rest of us.) Looks like they're trying to kill off their monster they created before he ruins them all.

Granted, it's hard to ignore Trump's blatant physical and mental deterioration. Especially when he is constantly blasting out his lunacy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,163 posts)
18. That's malarky. Prove it. Actors w same goals is not proof and you haven't proved Murdoch has such a big goal either.nt
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:17 AM
Sunday

mucifer

(25,252 posts)
14. Problem is the USA is being destroyed and even if people don't like vance much, it won't
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 07:59 AM
Sunday

slow things down. It's all off the rails.

People need to look at the big picture. Even if the epstein stuff takes trump down, that won't stop the direction we are headed.

Scrivener7

(56,484 posts)
16. He's meeting now with Vance in Montana. Weeks after Vance met with Musk and others in Montana.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:09 AM
Sunday

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,896 posts)
23. JD attempting to pre-empt a Court trial?
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:51 AM
Sunday

Little that will do. His past isn't so pristine either.

Rupert Murdoch, in all his deviousness, isn't one to be crossed.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,074 posts)
25. There is another obvious explanation- distraction from the GENIUS Act,
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:03 AM
Sunday

The letter was revealed on the same day the GENIUS act came up for a vote in the house, erasing what little coverage there was of the bill.

102 Dems in the house voted yes, 18 Dem senators did.

The bill deregulates cryptocurrency and gives a sheen of legitimacy to a financial Ponzi pyramid scheme whose primary purpose is to launder money and evade taxes from illegal activities such as sex trafficking and drug and arms dealing.

This bill risks further destabilization of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar has already lost 10% of its value in the past six months, the steepest decline since Nixon ended the gold standard in 1973.

So, rather than Murdoch deciding to “take Trump down” (which isn’t going to happen, at least not forcing him to resign or triggering an impeachment and removal), I think having the #1 financial and business publication in the country distract from the passage of a law that stands to generate massive profits for the oligarchs at the expense of the stability of the US and world economy, that is a more plausible motivation IMO.

speak easy

(11,986 posts)
26. Disagree.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:11 AM
Sunday

"erasing what little coverage there was of the bill." There was not going to be much coverage anyway. You don't need a nuke to roast a peanut.

Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #25)

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