discussing the war) as it is Bibi and his religio-fascist thug (deffo my wording, lolol) base who are ordering the damage, YET some of them also then turn around and call criticism of BIBI and the fashies 'antisemitic', as they say he is duly elected leader of Israel and thus an attack on Bibi is attack all Jewish Israelis. (using that logic, to attack Trump is to attack all Americans)

They also utilise similar sophistry with the juxtaposition of Israel the state and the jewish diaspora outside of Israel (AIPAC is but one example). Whichever way they can weave in a spun up charge of 'antisemitism' to try and put a person they disagree with on their back heels, they will attempt to do it.

They love to play 'heads I win, tails you lose' games.

the bullying of Jewish students in some colleges? Those who have never expressed any opinion about Israel/Palestinian conflict and Israel's actions? To say there is no antisemitism in the pro Palestinian movement is to wear a blindfold.

To claim that there is no antisemitism over this is disingenuous.
There's an amount of Jewish people who support Palestinians who are afraid to wear jewelry that depicts a mezuzah or a chai or a Mogen David or even a hamsa.

Is there another reason that Jewish houses of worship find it necessary to provide armed guards for services?
Surely it's not only to protect them from Proud Boys types of groups.

You are trying (and failing) to subject shift as well by dragging in other issues in an attempt to distract from what I said in my orginal reply, issues that are not germane to what I said.

I am immune to this style of sophistry, as are many, many here on DU.

by addressing an issue that is somehow related to the I/P conflict. You may call it sophistry, but I call it reality.

Here's al link to the movement that my children have participated in, and its statement about the present conflict.
Just as we as Americans must protest being associated with MAGA when people speak of Americans, the Jewish protest movements must be mentioned in the same breath otherwise people will make unfortunate assumptions. You cannot deny that Jewish students have been harassed on campuses just because of their faith. Pointing out one protester does the movement no justice - making it seem that the protester is an outlier to what Jewish people as a whole think.

https://www.habonimdror.org/category/statements/

you said

RESIST!!!

That is all

reaction to the criticism(s) of the government and it's policy - and that goes triple when it pertains to expressions by 'survivors'.

A handful of loudmouth jackasses - do NOT speak for the Jewish faith/population. And holocaust survivors are more than capable of making that distinction.

STRAWMAN !

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I don't believe anyone on DU questions the existence of antisemitism; and it's wrong to apply that label to everyone who objects the genocide.

"As of 9 July 2025, over 60,200 people (58,313 Palestinians and 1,983 Israelis) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry [believed by all authorities not affiliated with the Israeli government or the IDF to be reliable], as well as 217 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA. Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians. A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Gaza_war_casualties)

Moreover, "Injured: at least 139,974 people" (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/18/gaza-tracker ) – while "1,580 health care workers [have] been killed" (https://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/death-and-destruction-in-gaza-in-21-months-of-war-with-israel ); and only half of the hospitals still stand, and those are only partly functional.

And then there's the prolonged, illegal blocking of aid; and what's happening now at the so-called aid distribution centers....

I honestly suspect that those who continue to support this kind of aggression are either politically sociopathic or suffering from some kind of trauma-induced neurosis.

And that it is this revulsion against what Israel does to Palestinians that is driving the criticism, not Jew-hatred?

Normally, we can all objectively agree to what is right or wrong. Intentionally starving babies by blockading baby formula is wrong. Bombing children in their beds or patients in the ICU or maternity wards is wrong. Driving people out of their homeland is wrong. Not allowing them to return is wrong. Destroying entire neighbourhoods with controlled demolitions so they can never return is wrong.

In our society, normal people are revolted and condemn these actions and are allowed to do so without fear or consequences.

But when it comes to Israel being the wrongdoer in these scenarios, we either believe Israel's excuses or rationalizations and somehow turn off our moral compass, or if we don't, we are told to shut it because it's anti-semitic. Many people can't and won't do that.

If you equate criticism of Israel with Jew-hatred, which is the real anti-semitism, then I can only conclude that you don't see the consistent brutality towards Palestinians as revolting and therefore deserving of criticism. Otherwise you would be in full agreement with those criticizing Israel. But since you don't, your mind jumps to anti-semitism because... what else can it be, it's not like Israel is doing anything wrong! It's mind-blowing ideological blindness in other words.

Israel is cynically exploiting people's fear and loathing of anti-semitism and the known consequences of being labelled as such, and their own people's willingness to believe anti-semites lurk around every corner and the whole world is against them. For the government of Israel, clearly the goal is to shield the State of Israel from legitimate criticism of its sustained brutality against Palestinians and the horrific atrocities it is now committing. To buy into this new definition of anti-semitism is to sacrifice human beings, the Palestinians, in service to an ideology and political expediency and that's just plain wrong.

especially that last paragraph.