This is a Latin saying that asserts the primacy of Justice!

I will be unhappy if there are some of our leaders involved, but “Let Justice be done!”

He was last century.

Plus my guess is we will have a lot more current House and Senate people than they do who aren't on it.

No matter their political stripe.

Anything else would be unjust and hypocritical.

There may be a lot of recognizable names in these documents. I hope not but let the chips fall where they may.

Is Trump protecting someone? He knows his name is everywhere in these documents.

On another note, let’s not forget Pam Bondi was Florida’s AG until 2019. Why didn’t she bring charges?

I kinda don't think Joe Biden and Barack Obama will be two of them, somehow.

The absolute corruption illustrated by this whole thing is a stain on our government and its leaders.

I don't care who is caught up in it. As far as I'm concerned, they're all scumbag assholes.

Leave the children alone, dammit!

There there

Democratic and Republican politicians on the list raping underage girls, we want them facing justice.

the DOJ likely did go through whatever files existed. I think standard procedure (yes, violated by Comey) has been that investigations stay secret until there is sufficient evidence to warrant the DOJ indicting a person.

It may be, especially if Maxwell was not providing any backup, there was not sufficient information to win a conviction against anyone. Even if most are skeptical even those known to have gone to his island might make statements like Deursowitz.

All the same it would, as in his case, harm reputations.

ESPECIALLY when they wear my uniform.

White males who have partaken in illicit parlances have caused enough damage in society. What they do to hide their peccadillos is used as leverage against them to turn their votes. We, in the end, have suffered.

I'm all for a reboot.

If so, I strongly disagree. If any Democrat abused children, they should be punished not protected.

This sounds suspiciously like what my Republican sister said when I expressed my displeasure at caging children. Her response was "well Obama did it too. . ."

---- which was not true. Obama did not separate children from their parents unless the parents were convicted criminals.

You know that if somebody like Clinton shws up in the files, the right is going to run with that 24/7, especially if Trump's in there, "but, but, but Clinton!". We've seen this before.

My worst thought is that the Trump administration will scrub the files of anything Trump, while releasing the rest, especial,y if Clinton is in there. That's why I would rather have seen the Biden administratio release the files, I trust them more in releasing all the files, not just cherry picked ones.

Personally, I want everything released, no matter who gets burned, justice for all.

We need whistleblowers.

1. Clinton and Epstein doesn't affect past governmental and/or public policy, just his foundation.
2. It would elicit a big yaaaaawn. We've already been through Monica L. decades ago.
3. The only person I can see the "revelation" affecting would be Hillary and I'm certain she already knows. Chelsea, negligible damage, if any. Grandkids might get a giggle.

It would not be compared to Monica. She was 22, a legal adult.

Don’t think so. Nobody in my world would be yawning. Grandkids might “ get a giggle!? “ what? These are premeditated crimes, right? Not little flings.

Absolutely the truth should come out. In the name of justice for the victims. And for the removal of the subhuman demon inhabiting the White House. I think we as a country could and should unite in this. We badly need an exorcism.

regardless what party they belong to. Republicans only care because they think the Epstein files implicate Democrats and only Democrats. Democrats care because they know the Epstein files implicate people engaged in pedophilic activity regardless of Party ID. If there is evidence in the files that someone was engaged in this heinous behavior, they should go down whomever they are.

As for Bill Clinton specifically:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/15/us-news/bill-clinton-talks-odd-jeffrey-epstein-in-new-memoir-citizen/

whomever they may be.

Even Melania, should it be revealed that she reached her meteoric heights via Epstein & Company?

Wouldn't YOU?

Sara Wood has the best answer to this question ⁉️

If Clinton is guilty he should also go to jail. But the flight log shows he flew on the plane on an AIDS mission with Chris Tucker to Africa, taking several flights from country to country. Many people used Epstein's plane for legit reasons as well.

— Sara Wood (@therealsarawood.bsky.social) 2025-07-18T20:36:04.224Z

in order polish his own credentials. It was much akin to Trump always slapping his name on other people's work.

Sexual assault and sexual abuse of 13 and 14 year old girls is not ok no matter who the hell you are.

What are we looking for exactly? Do we think Epstein has a list of every person and who they had sex with? Is that list going to be remarkably different from the flight list? Do we expect to be able to prosecute people based on the list?

Did Clinton or Trump have sex with women provided by Epstein? Of course they did. Were some sex trafficked? Probably. Were some underage, very possibly. What does the list accomplish, going from 99% certainty to 99.99%?

There were cameras everywhere to gather blackmail material.

It made no sense that people were giving that much money at high commission to s guy who was not a finance genius or venture capital guru.

As ever. Follow the money and pics

Pics and video would be very different. I didn't think of that. Thank you.

For whatever reason, you rationalize it's okay to do.

wrong I want him held accountable. That goes for anyone, I don't give a damn.

If a Dem politician EVER engaged in such activities we would demand his prosecution. We aren't a cult.

That's a hard thing for Magats to understand.

Look what was done to Al Franken for a HELL of a lot less!

MAGA child fuckers burn in hell.

chasing its tail. First, it's doubtful that grand jury material will be released. That's okay because that material only pertains to the two people who were accused of the crimes: Epstein and Maxwell. No other offenders were ever criminally charged.

We're told reams of other information exists, including hundreds of hours of videos possessed by Epstein the voyeur. Those items likely could be released, but we can be sure if TSF is among that evidence, it will stay locked away. He will use the excuse that the DOJ cannot, by law, release any material. His outraged MAGA sheep will buy fresh hats and quietly retire to their barns.

Meanwhile, TSF keeps tightening the screws on every aspect of our lives -- actions that will kill perfectly good, innocent people. That's where we need to concentrate our curiosity, investigative skills and rage so we can win the midterms.

Sick and tired of people on DU manufacturing bullshit conspiracy theories about Joe Biden.

Would have been a great October surprise against Trump.

Weird, weird stuff.

Putting Maxwell alone in jail is not going to end it.

I don’t want predators protected just because they are on my tram. Let the chips fall where they may.

Not everyone on the flight logs was participating in sexual predation. But those that were should be exposed.

Part of what is broken with the country's law. Rich and powerful need to be treated the same as anyone else. That's how we have gotten to this point. Trump should have been in jail decades ago.

Involving Doe174.

I don't care who's implicated. Expose them.

Young women and underaged girls were sexually abused.

Being rich, famous, or a good politician doesn't exempt anyone from being a decent human being.

Underage young ladies are VICTIMS, regardless of decisions they may or may not have made.

R or D. I would expect the files contain information that would damage more than Rs but I don’t think simply flying on a plane constitutes immediate condemnation. I’d like all the facts and all the perpetrators punished.

That's why nobody snitches on each other. Kid touching is bipartisan. Those afraid to say boo to the orange convict are on the list, IMO.
There may be more than one list used to blackmail. Epstein is gone, somebody has taken his place as pimp. Kid touchers need their fix, they just don't stop. For sure there are others around the world that are on the list also. I don't hear countries asking for the file so they can investigate their own elites.

Could we be on the verge of a world wide kid touching scandal? Where is INTERPOL?

Bill Clinton was in office a quarter century ago. He was so tarred by the Monica Lewinsky scandal that him being on that list would not surprise anyone. Frankly, if either Biden or Obama were on that list (by which I assume we're probably talking about accounting ledgers) then they probably do need to be held accountable, but I rather doubt that they are - Trump and the GOP would have used that as ammunition long before now.

Epstein was running a blackmail racket - make sure there were plenty of photos, videos, and recordings being taken of at events that featured attractive young women and men, alcohol, and drugs, then using these to extort blackmail payments and political favors. This is one of the oldest cons in the book, and no doubt it was also one of the tools that Trump took advantage of in his own climb to power. It was also why Epstein ultimately had to die - the evidence would clearly show Trump's fingerprints all throughout the collection of this blackmail trove.

One key point on Q-Anon type conspiracy theories (QACTs) - most such theories connect the dots, but it is the interpretation of those connections that often gets skewed because of a pronounced bias to want to justify your beliefs by making the evidence fit the conclusion rather than the other way around. This is what is being tested now, as all the Epstein evidence comes back to light. My suspicion is that the one conclusion that Trump DOES NOT want anyone to make is that he was an active partner with Epstein in building this blackmail scheme, because he most benefited from.

That said, I also doubt a list that says person A abused victim 1 on this date and a DVD of the crime exists. Not like Epstein could really come forward and provide a video taped on his island and not be implicated himself.

If he didn't use it to try to bury people when he was arrested and facing life in prison, or as a strike from beyond the grave, I don't think it exists.

Brothel

And they were all on the same trial list, all named together, one and all.

That is how this should be done, not drips and drops but one list, and next to each name the number to times they attended.

And yes, Dems too.

You know, we need a database of all the men who are found to use children for sex. Open for all to see.

The evidence for Trump as an inveterate liar is extensive, but his followers don't believe any of it. Trump promised to release everything about Epstein, and if and when he does, the right wing conspiracy theories will not be not supported, some MAGAs will realize they were played by Trump and his fellow travelers.
If Trump himself is implicated in Epstein's world, that would be even better. If some Democrats associated with Epstein that should be made public and let the chips fall where they may, but that is far less important then revealing Trump for who he really is to his followers.

If there are Democrats on the list, sobeit. They should have known better. Child rapists are child rapists. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas, and in this case, the fleas all have the EPSTEIN virus. So yeah, I definitely support it, and let the chips fall where they may.

What you'll find are a bunch of wealthy, creepy, well-connected, older white men who deserve to be outed. Let the chips fall where they may.

OPEN THE BARN already!

They’re all pedophiles. It doesn’t matter who they are or how much it hurts Democrats. Shine the light on the cockroaches.

...I want to know what a deal fully entails before committing to it. But if no other choice, no objection. If some of "our" people were "customers", let them burn. The only way to stop feeling sick and constipated is to let the shits drop in the toilet.

As for Clinton being on the flight logs, I can easily see that as "concentration of mega-rich = fundraising feeding ground". My impression of Clinton formed over the past 35-odd years (with no special knowledge nor personal contact) is that he's a charmer (sometimes too much for his own good), not a creeper, and given the time frame (recently after leaving office and the whole witch-hunt after him), avoiding further improprieties of that sort would be very high in his mind. So I think that was all transportation, connections, and fundraising. But, if it turns out he did "partake", again, let 'im burn.

Any man who would do this or even just go and see what was going on and NOT try to make it stop, and I mean EVERY man is not a person who cares about any of us in any way. All about him. Always about him. No, in the full scheme of things I am also doubtful "the "girls" love the attention".

Abusing women seems to always be on the table as a "shhhhh". Why? Partly because of the " boys will be boys" attitude that still is around and/or it is about I want it so this is OK thing. You don't hear these things as much anymore but really when have you seen most of these happenings become a serious story? They come in for a day or even maybe a slow but quiet week.

Just a woman.

Just because they are Dems does not excuse them.

If Clinton is on there, and whoever else, then let it happen. But make it clear and make it fair.

Were there any accusations against Clinton in the testimony during Maxwell's trial? I haven't seen anything, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The testimony of the pseudonym Katie Johnson specifically named Trump. If testimony existed as to Clinton or any other high ranking (yes, I know what I'm saying here because I'm speaking of influence) Democrat, wouldn't it have been "suspiciously" leaked at the same time the testimony came out about Trump?

Raping under age girls is a crime no matter who does it. Full stop. But I can't see Bill Clinton doing that. I can see him flirting and screwing around with young, beautiful women, but I never saw him as a pedophile. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. One pays for their thrills.

Did anything wrong to kids, he deserves to go down with everyone else. And anyone who knowingly protected them can go down too.

Take them ALL down.

This said. Not everyone who went there was there to rape kids. It was a rich and powerful hobnob location. If someone kept going there after Epstein got busted the first time then no excuse.

Only if they are pedophiles! Lock then all up. It is sick to let a child rapist go free because of any party affiliation.

Biden did not have his hands in the DOJ like Trump has. Biden appointed Merrick Garland and other positions a president is expected to appoint -- that's it.

And MERRICK GARLAND barely went after Trump for actual crimes we fucking watched him commit. He certainly wasn't covering for Democrats and neither were those that threatened a mutiny under Comey to pressure him to screw Hillary over and those that slow-walked the Trump prosecutions.

And was doing something wrong should be held accountable. If any Democrats were involved in sex trafficking minors, even if they were “just customers”, they should be brought to justice period.

And not just politicians - mega donors are probably the biggest reason this isn’t being released. I want them brought to justice as much as anyone. They think their money will get them out of any and all trouble and I hope they are wrong.

Wrong is wrong…crime is crime no matter who commits the crime. We can’t scream about a coverup then hope for a coverup for select individuals, then we are no better and just should shut our mouths.
If it’s found that the Biden Administration didn’t pursue because of who may be included then the Biden Administration was wrong and should be held to account for their actions.

Republican, Democrat, politician, celebrities, anyone.

Democrats aren't hypocritical assholes. Actually most Dems aren't assholes.

So if a Dem is on the list with other evidence of abuse of minors, then that Dem can fry along side the Orange ShitStain.

His father insisted he wouldn't get a pardon but then changed his mind at the last minute. How do you charge him for anything?

Pursuing Trump would have looked "too political." An old school politician like Biden wasn't going to make that reputation. Yet another example of where Democratic leadership lacked the kind of risk taking boldness necessary to convince us they are for us, instead of turf protecting and looking after their own interests.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it. We are engaged in a foot shooting contest that is going to turn this country over to Christian Nationalist Fascists who are going to dump Trump and Vance, and their clown show cabinet, and take over in a heartbeat.

Anyone who has abused women especially under age deserves to pay the consequences.

I voted for Elliott Spitzer then when the 9000$ sex worker scandal came out I was done with him. The hypocrisy of his integrity and moral principles that he championed was infuriating.

It had no effect on the outcome of the election whatsoever. This Epstein issue is a distraction.

him because he didn’t immediately release info.

then the party desperately needs reform; and the best way to start is to root out serious corruption.

Bear in mind, it's generally believed that Epstein's operation was tolerated for as long as it was because he was amassing info that could be used to blackmail important people into doing or going along with things that they wouldn't otherwise have done or gone along with – potentially treasonously. If that's true, and there's plenty of reason to be concerned about the possibility, we need to cut that cancer out.

And that would include prosecuting not only the perpetrators, but anyone who used their crimes against them, whether it was our own intel agencies or anyone else.

I want it all out in the open.

the real issue for MAGA is the ridiculous Q-anon pizzagate conspiracy theory allegedly involving Hillary Clinton, and I highly doubt that she would be involved with this.

In other words, I no more think Hillary Clinton was involved in his trafficking activities than I am. But how useful to him to have all kinds of people’s names on his flight manifests.

Bill Clinton’s name worried me more when it popped up several years ago. But I will take H2O Man’s word for it from a few days back that his sources indicate that Bill had nothing to do with the evil either.

Epstein was a financial figure in NYC and as such had plenty of cover for having his photo taken with the wealthy and influential at social occasions.

So bring it on. The GOP has much more to fear than we do.

chomos down. All of them.
Arrest them, put them on trial. If convicted, put in gen pop.

Release the list. If you're worried about the optics, if Democrats are the ones who release it while Republicans tried to cover it up, it won't matter who's on the list. Republicans will get stuck with the cover-up.

If Bill Clinton is such trash that he’s on there - and that goes for any other Dems along with GOP - screw them, they’re done.

Seriously, how do you even justify your immorality of parroting the MAGA value of protecting pedophiles for political expediency? So deplorable.

It's about time women and girls become cherished and not abused, by anyone, ever.

If Clinton is there, it doesn't matter to me. If he did wrong, he needs to pay, just like anyone else.