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Zev Shalev has quite an extensive list of deep dive videos that seem pretty convincing, starting with Robert Maxwell which lead to his daughter and Epstein engaging in collecting kompromat (sex with underaged girls) on the wealthy and powerful. Really makes one take a second look at foreign policy decisions, no? "The Epstein Files" probably have a whole lot more info than many expect. And didn't someone (Dem senator? Heard Whitehouse discussing it) just get a file of Epstein's financial records?
Just curious if anyone has ever credibly debunked any of this? I learned of this podcaster via a video yesterday from Malcolm Nance with Michael Cohen and Lev Parnas.

CentralMass
(16,319 posts)intrepidity
(8,363 posts)CentralMass
(16,319 posts)EdmondDantes_
(638 posts)US foreign policy has favored Israel for a lot longer than Epstein has money for reasons good and bad. Not everything is a deep conspiracy. In fact, most things aren't. And if said conspiracy theory has also been pushed by Tucker Carlson, I feel even more confident that it's false.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-jeffrey-epstein-israel-b2787893.html
usonian
(19,164 posts)You"re in the catbird seat. Until ... you have an accident.
H2O Man
(77,373 posts)He was a shared asset for US/British/Israeli intelligence. That is distinct from being an agent.
intrepidity
(8,363 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,257 posts)yardwork
(67,250 posts)Another day another stupid attack on Jewish people.
Beastly Boy
(13,053 posts)I am sure there is something on Youtube about it that no one has credibly debunked.
yardwork
(67,250 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,053 posts)yardwork
(67,250 posts)Kid Berwyn
(21,351 posts)
Things get spooky sick, scary fast when it comes to obtaining a hold over people. Epstein followed in the tradition of Roy Cohn, the Mafia and KGBCIAMI6WKWTF.
The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn
The unrepentant political hitman who taught a younger Trump how to flout the rules didnt get away with it forever.
By MICHAEL KRUSE
Politico, September 19, 2019
One of Donald Trumps most important mentors, one of the most reviled men in American political history, is about to have another moment.
Roy Cohn, who has been described by people who knew him as a snake, a scoundrel and a new strain of son of a bitch, is the subject of a new documentary out this week from producer and director Matt Tyrnauer. Its an occasion to once again look at Cohn and ask how much of him and his savage, abrasive and amoral behavior is visible in the behavior of the current president. Trump, as has been well-established, learned so much from the truculent, unrepentant Cohn about how to get what he wants, and he pines for Cohn and his notorious capabilities still. Trump, after all, reportedly has said so himself, and its now the name of this film: Wheres My Roy Cohn?
What Cohn could, and did, get away with was the very engine of his existence. The infamous chief counsel for the red-baiting, Joseph McCarthy-chaired Senate subcommittee in the 1950s, Cohn was indicted four times from the mid-60s to the early 70sfor stock-swindling and obstructing justice and perjury and bribery and conspiracy and extortion and blackmail and filing false reports. And three times he was acquittedthe fourth ended in a mistrialgiving him a kind of sneering, sinister sheen of invulnerability. Cohn, Tyrnauers work reaffirms, took his sanction-skirting capers and twisted them into a sort of suit of armor.
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I decided long ago, Cohn once told Penthouse, to make my own rules.
He was acquitted in 64, and he was acquitted in 69, and he was acquitted in 71, all the while thumbing his nose at the feds, but Cohns screw-you stance was a lifelong philosophy, entitlement plus boldness.
He was an incredibly spoiled princeling of an only child, Cohn cousin David Lloyd Marcus told me. He always got his way, recalled his favorite aunt. As an adult, the resting expression on his face, which was marred by a scar that ran like a scrape down the middle of his nose, was a mixture of arrogant disdain and a whipped-dog look, people observed, caught somewhere between a pout and a challenging glare.
Continues...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144
An important picture that ties things from commie-hunting Joe McCarthy era to Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump via Roger Stone and Associates and the late Jeffrey Epstein:
The Ghost of Roy Cohn
BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014
EXCERPT...
In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into Americas secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).
Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a Pedophile Book hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.
I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohns hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilsons modus operandi:
Historically, one of Wilsons Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary . Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh . A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras . The technicians in charge of filming were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office. (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)
According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilsons operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfreys outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfreys outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.
SOURCE Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20170103005208/https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/
Original (busted): https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/
The same Roy Cohn who taught Donald Drumpf also schooled Roger Stone and Jeffrey Epstein...
... Who knew what when? In Palo Alto, after Epsteins conviction, he was a guest at a dinner for the MIT neuroscientist Ed Boyden that was hosted by LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman. At the same dinner Elon Musk introduced Epstein to Mark Zuckerberg. Is money so powerful that it tramples all other considerations? As James Baldwin put it, I cant believe what you say, because I see what you do.
One of the most remarkable moments in Tyrnauers documentary comes near the end, when its no longer possible to pretend that Cohn isnt a liar and a fraud, when its no longer possible to deny that he lacks both shame and conscience. When Cohn was about to be disbarred in 1986 for defrauding his clients and for taking advantage of a dying and incompetent man, character witnesses began to emerge. There were letters to the court from William F. Buckley Jr., Barbara Walters, William Safire, and, of course, Trump, who wrote that Cohn has been extremely loyal and extremely honest. Were Cohns partieswas his protectionreally that good?...
Source: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a29130905/roy-cohn-documentary-wheres-my-roy-cohn/
Its conceivable Matt Gaetz got some learnin and now all his friends like Ka$h Patel, too.
Link to tweet
At the end of the investigations and the day, I hope America remembers Trump is owned by Putin.
When Dirty Russian-Connected Money Saved Trumps Ass and His Ensuing Business Disasters Helped Destroy the Global and American Economies
September 27, 2020
Brian E. Frydenborg
As Trumps taxes return to the news, here is the parallel context and setup where he went from failure on the verge of collapse to being propped up by money connected to Putins Russian government and the Russian mafia and then to failing repeatedly and spectacularly in those related business ventures, but in ways that allowed him to hide the dire straits of his finances and run as a successful billionaire for president in 2015-2016. And, oh, he managed to fail in these ventures in ways that helped to bring on the global financial crises and Americas Great Recession of 2008. As the house of cards image of Trump lied and cheated his way to building up comes tumbling down, a detailed look at that shady time when Trump was boosted by dirty Russian-connected money is essential.
Source: https://realcontextnews.com/when-dirty-russian-connected-money-saved-trumps-ass-and-his-ensuing-business-disasters-helped-destroy-the-global-and-american-economies/
Epstein, like the DC Madame, was ultimately operating for the Take the deliverables being incriminating materials like photos, videotapes and sound recordings. Pee tapes, for another example.
malaise
(286,788 posts)I want you to know that you are a first rate DU treasure and a treasure trove full of beyond the headlines details. .😀.
Kid Berwyn
(21,351 posts)My friend, you are the world to me.
karynnj
(60,414 posts)I think that more promising than the DOJ tapes