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no_hypocrisy

(52,349 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:28 AM Friday

The surviving family of Jeffrey Epstein doesn't believe he committed suicide.

Why: Because he's buried in a Jewish cemetery with his parents.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2023/08/25/jeffrey-epstein-remains-laid-to-rest-in-jewish-cemetery-palm-beach-county/70407828007/

One subject that was traditionally definitive is suicide. Any person whose death is caused by suicide cannot be buried in a Jewish cemetery, according to Jewish law. However, today, if the person was considered mentally ill, an exception can be made in certain cases.
https://jewish-funeral-home.com/unusual-issues-concerning-jewish-burial/

OTOH, if they believed that being a pedophile made him "mentally ill," then I guess he could be a suicide and buried with his parents in a Jewish cemetery.

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The surviving family of Jeffrey Epstein doesn't believe he committed suicide. (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Friday OP
No one believes he died by suicide. Solomon Friday #1
Exactly. I thought that was a given. hamsterjill Friday #8
That's not true of all Jewish variants EdmondDantes_ Friday #2
Are They Sure Deep State Witch Friday #3
I never thought of that either, debm55 Friday #4
My uncle who committed suicide has been buried in a Catholic cemetery for more than 50 years. greatauntoftriplets Friday #5
I listened to a Don Lemon interview with . . . peggysue2 Friday #6
At least some of his relatives have publicly stated they don't believe it was suicide, & snot Friday #7
Most, if not all, sheets I have ever seen over a life time of making beds... 3catwoman3 Friday #9

hamsterjill

(16,114 posts)
8. Exactly. I thought that was a given.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 01:51 PM
Friday

If the missing minutes on the tape, etc. aren't suspect, then I don't know what it would ever take for something to BE suspect. I mean, come on!

EdmondDantes_

(638 posts)
2. That's not true of all Jewish variants
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:35 AM
Friday
https://reformjudaism.org/learning/answers-jewish-questions/can-person-who-died-suicide-be-buried-jewish-cemetery



"Yes, a person who died by suicide may be buried in a Jewish cemetery.

The ancient prohibition against doing so is based upon the conception of suicide as the conscious and willful taking of one’s life. Over time, however, Jewish tradition has come to view suicide as the result of mental and emotional desperation and, virtually by definition, an irrational, non-willful act. Jewish law puts an extraordinarily strict construction upon the definition of “suicide”; therefore, even if all evidence points to suicide and even if that evidence satisfies the investigative authorities as to the cause of death, our custom is to bury these individuals, to engage in mourning rituals for them, and to eulogize them appropriately."



Deep State Witch

(12,012 posts)
3. Are They Sure
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:37 AM
Friday

That's his body in there? Maybe I've been watching too many spy movies, but how easily could a death be faked and a guy with similar features substituted?

Yeah, I'm going back to watching spy movies now.

peggysue2

(12,025 posts)
6. I listened to a Don Lemon interview with . . .
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:49 AM
Friday

Epstein's brother. He believes his brother was murdered and has been given the run-around by authorities for information regarding the sudden death. Interesting detail from the initial coroner's report about the ligature marks on Epstein's neck which do not comport to a hanging, more like a garroting. His brother took that as a huge red flag.

Ugly stuff!

snot

(11,207 posts)
7. At least some of his relatives have publicly stated they don't believe it was suicide, &
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:54 PM
Friday

even commissioned an autopsy by an independent doc. who concluded that Epstein was probably murdered.

That said, evidence derived from the body of course remains in dispute. I understand that the docs on both sides agree that it would be extremely helpful to see a photo of how the body was found – the position and so on – and under the circumstances, once it had been determined that Epstein was in fact dead, a photo should have been taken without moving the body, if possible; but as far as I know, no such photo has been provided.

In fact, more than one "noose" was found in the cell, and there's debate over which if any was actually used, whether by Epstein or someone else. The nooses were said to have been torn from Epstein's sheets or uniform(s), and there were extra sheets in the cell as well as an extra mattress – the extras also being anomalous –; and I've never seen any answer as to whether anyone determined whether the nooses found were in fact torn from the items found in the cell or if so, which ones they came from.

In another case, some of these questions might seem picayune; but given the potential leverage Epstein or others might have had and perhaps have already used to control or influence our elected leaders or other important figures based on the dirt Epstein had likely accumulated on them, let alone the gravity of the alleged sex crimes in which such figures participated, these questions seem worth exploring.

There are, moreover, many other facts and circumstances that should raise questions about both Epstein's alleged suicide and Trump's belated claim that there is no evidence that anyone but Epstein and Maxwell actually engaged in any abuse.

3catwoman3

(27,181 posts)
9. Most, if not all, sheets I have ever seen over a life time of making beds...
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:10 PM
Friday

...have had finished edges. Without a knife or scissors to slice into those finished edges, it would be damn near impossible to tear a sheet into strips.

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