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lostnfound

(17,090 posts) Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:14 AM Friday

Poll -- have the Powers That Be decided to start the process of sunsetting Trump?

So much power consolidation and destruction has occurred, Trump is no longer necessary and barely functioning.

They will want to contain the damage to keep the full Epstein document away front the public; but they’ve got their OBBB done, a bunch of wrecking of institutions, and wheels in motion to screw up the economy in ways that disaster capitalists like.

I think Trump will exit and Vance will enter before the end of the year.

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Poll -- have the Powers That Be decided to start the process of sunsetting Trump? (Original Post) lostnfound Friday OP

Trump is not likely to allow himself to be "transitioned" unless he becomes so ill Ocelot II Friday #1

That's a good point about cabinet members' self-interest, but credible threats to reveal Epstein facts might suffice . lostnfound Sunday #7

Trump's health issues just add to that theory. Raven123 Friday #2

A year from now he will still be president. Cant say the same for 2 years from now. SSJVegeta Friday #3

Maybe not now, but they will because he's already given them all they wanted and more. harumph Friday #4

There is no such thing as 'the powers that be' stopdiggin Friday #5

Tech bros put him in office. Vance is their man. usonian Friday #6

Ocelot II

(126,066 posts)

1. Trump is not likely to allow himself to be "transitioned" unless he becomes so ill

Reply to lostnfound (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:20 AM

Friday

that he doesn't know what's happening, and if he can he will fight tooth and nail to stop it. Also, the problem with the way the 25th Amendment works is that the president can't be sidelined unless the VP and a majority of the Cabinet agree to it. A majority of the Cabinet isn't likely to agree because their jobs depend on Trump being president, and Vance would probably dump many of them so he (or Peter Thiel) could pick his own people.

lostnfound

(17,090 posts)

7. That's a good point about cabinet members' self-interest, but credible threats to reveal Epstein facts might suffice .

Reply to Ocelot II (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 20, 2025, 12:59 PM

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Raven123

(6,868 posts)

2. Trump's health issues just add to that theory.

Reply to lostnfound (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:31 AM

Friday

They can make them public because Trump is too cognitively impaired to know what’s happening so he can’t say he is in perfect health. It makes sense they are laying the groundwork for his exit.

SSJVegeta

(1,151 posts)

3. A year from now he will still be president. Cant say the same for 2 years from now.

Reply to lostnfound (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:32 AM

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harumph

(2,852 posts)

4. Maybe not now, but they will because he's already given them all they wanted and more.

Reply to lostnfound (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:33 AM

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The ghost of Robert Welch Jr. is jacking off in delight.

stopdiggin

(14,036 posts)

5. There is no such thing as 'the powers that be'

Reply to lostnfound (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:42 AM

Friday

which is amply illustrated by the fact that we currently HAVE - not one but two terms of a person this unfit ...

usonian

(19,164 posts)

6. Tech bros put him in office. Vance is their man.

Reply to lostnfound (Original post)

Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:23 PM

Friday

Elon had a setback, when Trump got his election and his entree into the dark world of crypto, and went back to his storm trooper and “I’m the economy, not you, nor your goddam tech” approach.

This current doing is MAYBE Elon’s/Tech Bro’s revenge and unfolding of the original plan.

Copied here:
Musk vs Trump is a cautionary tale for Silicon Valley

The meeting of company builder and monarch was never going to end well
Michael Moritz
https://archive.is/hnPQC#selection-136.5-136.6
https://www.ft.com/content/c779b3b6-e989-4277-91fd-d724682918be

Michael Moritz
Published Jun 8 2025

The writer is a longtime Silicon Valley investor, former board member of PayPal and an investor in SpaceX

A good read (excerpted) even if Moritz is a fawning Musk Fanboi.

One man approaches government like a company. The other considers government his company. Anyone who has worked in Silicon Valley knows which to choose. For results, modern management beats medieval rule … Musk is right; the Trump budget is an abomination.

Trump has none of Musk’s business acumen or his attention span. Since the inauguration, he has run the government just like he operated his own business, raising mountains of debt and betraying employees, while escaping unscathed himself.

While Musk has left Washington with his reputation tarnished and his businesses impaired, the president’s family has inked deals for new hotels and golf courses around the world. Membership fees at Mar-a-Lago, his Floridian sanctuary, ballooned last year. And he is milking the enthusiasm of his supporters with his own controversial memecoin, launched days before his inauguration.

One word of advice for those in Silicon Valley who followed Musk’s lead and sided with Trump. Leave. Don’t delude yourself that you are working to make crypto a part of global finance, minimising artificial intelligence regulation, helping start-up companies or protecting the interests of Silicon Valley. You have no sway. You are just cannon fodder.

I left out a lot of great venom.

But I think that chances of a Musk/Vance rule are pretty high compared to Mister “NO, IT’S NOT SYPHILIS” Trump.

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