From a professional who knows of what he speaks from actual training and experience. Thank you for this fact based insight. I agree 💯 that it was the minimum benign diagnosis they could spin under the circumstances. What angers me, among so many things, is thinking of all the other people reliant on the ACA and Medicaid that will not get this diagnosis and effective treatment because of this bastard and his gang of criminals in his party that rammed through his killer bill 😡However when we retake Congress we can reverse that so F$$k them to hell where they belong! 🤬🖕🏼✊🏼

they died

Except this cretinous orange Jabba the Scut did it to himself in relentless pursuit of his evil goals. 🤬 Oh well!

A body was discovered missing the head, hands, and feet.
Months later most of the body remains were found.
State coroner ruled that it was suicide precipitated by 2 shotgun blasts to the head.

This was the era of Mena, and Stephens Investment becoming the largest privately owned bank in the US.
Rose Law Firm being the largest law firm west of the Mississippi,. Sam Walton starting his discount store chains

searches. So many weird things that went on then.

Hard to tell if that’s the case with him because he is overweight to begin with. My sister had 20 lbs. of fluid drained from her and she is now on oxygen 24/7. Wouldn’t he also be on oxygen if it was CHF? Now that’s something that you can’t lie about.

I had had 2 failing valves due to a Staph A infection, which prompted a very vigourous response from the cardiac dept. Even when I was on IV lasix postop and almost lashed to a toilet, my swollen lower legs were my only obvious symptom. I'm still on diuretics, 15 years later, but often skip a day to allow more freedom of movement.

If we do consider going somewhere for a good part of a day, the availability of any facilities has to be planned for.

You apparently can live with it fairly normally for a long time.
Mine is now (as I near 90 yrs) catching up with me.
His mind may go first, based on his temperament and current statemnts.

Gone baby gone.

My mother and her father both died from CHF. Mom's was a complication of her long-term heart problems caused by rheumatic fever when she was a kid. Both of them had legs that swelled up like that, and actually seeped fluid out of them. Tangerine's legs look just like my grandfather's did. So, yeah, I'm thinking CHF, too.

Loss of appetite, nausea, chest pain, and his heart rate are about the only CHF symptoms not plainly in sight. Now it could be any number of things as CHF symptoms have other causes as well. But that's where my money is given what we know about him and what we can hear and observe.

How much a doctor's body is abused. Good post from multiple angles. Thank you.

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Constant standing, even more than walking, can be hell on your legs, feet and back.

"a benign and common condition, particularly in individuals over the age of 70" and that "all results from testing were within normal limits." CVI may be common in older people, but it's not benign and it's not normal. If all the tests were normal why do his ankles look like basketballs?

Chronic Kidney Disease. About late into stage 4 bordering on stage 5 is possibility.

And yes, kidney failure, maybe on or nearing dialysis.

He may very well be ready for dialysis but is refusing it ... He is damn close to it at the very least.

Stage 3 is edema (ankles the size of basketballs). stage 4 is skin changes. We'd never see that, since his ankles are always covered. The stages after that include ulcers which heal - then ulcers which don't heal.

if not full blown diabetes, I'll eat my hat! That can damage the kidneys as well.

They aren't. It is strongly hereditary - much more strongly caused by heredity than by weight, and there are probably multiple varieties of at least T2 diabetes, but doctors treat them all identically.

Both my family and my spouse's have diabetes.

My maternal grandfather - and everyone who is descended from him who is my age or older - has diabetes. It is a pretty benign version of diabetes (not linked to heart disease, regardless of cholesterol levels (not a single heart attack or other heart disease; my current cardiac calcification score is 0% calcification - and I have high cholesterol); not linked to weight (the BMI range in the individuals with diabetes ranges from underweight to obese). I am not aware of any A1C in the bunch that was ever higher than 8.0 on less-than-maximum metformin as the sole medical treatment. Pre-COVID, all I had to do to have a normal A1C was watch what I eat. That applied at any weight- including when I was obese. (COVID messed up my ability to control it entirely by eating, but my last A1C was 7.1 - high for me, but still within an acceptable range for my age.)

My spouse's maternal grandmother had diabetes. While it is not as universal in her descendants, many have it. It is anything but benign. My spouse's A1C is currently 10.1. She is skinny as a rail, and on three diabetes medications (Januvia, glimiperide, and metformin), and her A1C has not been less than 9 for over 2 years. Her sister is faring better on control - but also skinny as a rail. Grandmother was in the normal weight range.

I don't know the entire family history of a friend of mine, but she has been obese nearly all of her life with zero signs of diabetes - until cancer destroyed her pancreas. Post pan-can, she is T3 diabetes.

It may well be that some diabetes is linked to weight - there is certainly a statistical correlation, but (1) a statistical correlation doesn't mean that everyone who is overweight will become diabetic and (2) even you fall in the group contributing to the statistics, it is likely some underlying genetic makeup gave you a predisposition to both, rather than that the weight caused the diabetes (and there will be people who are overweight - like my friend - who don't have the underlying genetic makeup and will never get diabetes absent something like pancreatic cancer, and people like my spouse who become diabetic despite being underweight).

Look at Mary Tyler Moore. She was diabetic but was always thin.

She is brunette, but otherwise looks like every other Barbie except for the monitoring and dosing devises (which are pink.) Yes, I'm chuckling, but I think it's a good idea. It will help diabetic kids, particularly girls, feel seen. I felt the same way about wheelchair Barbie (actually named Becky and was the school photographer - a nod to the fact there are plenty of things disabled people can excel at.) In fact, I have a Becky in an unopened box to keep her pristine.

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That's caused by a person's immune system attacking the insulin producing cells in their pancreas so that their body can no longer make insulin.

Type 2 diabetes happens when the pancreas makes normal amounts of insulin, but the body can't use it properly, for reasons I don't really understand and don't know how to explain.

In both cases, blood sugar is elevated, but the mechanisms causing this are different. Being overweight is considered to be a risk factor for developingntype 2 diabetes, but not Type 1. As Ms. Toad noted, being overweight or obese does NOT mean someone is inevitably going to develop diabetes, although some erroneously assume that it does.

Diagnosed at about 64 He had absolutely no one in his extended family with diabetes. He was overweight, sedentary and refused to eat better or exercise. He was on dialysis for two years, got a kidney transplant and only lasted five years after that, all of which were pretty miserable years for him.

So no, it's not always hereditary.

I never claimed that it was always hereditary. My claim is that our assumption that anyone who is overweight must be diabetic, or at least pre-diabetic, is nonsense - there is much more involved - including that it is strongly linked to heredity

That said, T2 diabetes wasn't always as well known or frequently diagnosed in the past as it is now. Doctors still don't routinely test for it at wellness exams - so all you know is that no one in his extended family was diagnosed with diabetes, or chose to tell you if they were.

My doctor called my hysterical because my A1C is 6.2, which puts me into the prediabetic range. My father and uncle were diabetics on insulin. I've changed my diet drastically (ach, I hate it) and am going for another blood test next week. I'm 76 years old and 6.2 is not good for me. My glucose is 92 - acceptable - and I only need to lose 2 pounds to qualify for the "healthy weight range" as far as my BMI goes. Covid did my weight in, but I'm getting back to normal even though my doc told me not to lose weight.

I also have some venous insufficiency, but no one thinks its of any concern - yet.
With all my issues with my heart etc. I'm still way more healthy than the orange turd.

I'm 76 years old?
Yikes!!!

That's not horrible. My goal is to keep mine below 140. Pre-COVID, all I had to do that was to eat fewer than 21 grams of carbs in any 2-hour period. COVID messed that up - my blood glucose is more erratically tied to consumption of carbs than it was before and I haven't had the energy to sort it out, much less manage it well.

If I was in your shoes, I'd be happy.

I sounds like you have some hereditary for a type of insulin similar to my spouse's. Not sure what kind of heart troubles - but some heart troubles correlate with diabetes. But at 76 I wouldn't fret about the blood glucose or weight.

coronary aneurysm
I always worry about everything!
If I stop worrying, the world will end;
I'm working on that
In my brain I'm in my 40's which tends to be a shock every time I look into the mirror.

I don't have issues with aging, but I'm my mind I have hair below my hips. In startled every time I see a picture of myself - with extremely short hair. (It's been short for nearly 5 years.)

Someone should be watching for this - just cause we're that concerned about his well being.

Depending on how advanced it is, the swelling may never go down.

Are compression socks recommended for use on one or both of your legs?
Do you have any information about if they would help your condition?

I don't seem to have this issue and am in our age cohort. I have been advised to use the socks for plane trips and long periods of sitting without much movement like car and train trips.

Because I am claustrophobic. Yes. I know.

The ones I got with a prescription and made for me are TIGHT.
I think they would kill a boa constrictor.

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Plenty of compression, easier to get on/off, different colors/etc. I guess you could find Philadelphia Union ones....

Do they choke too?

Helluva lot cheaper too. Gold Toe. Don't wear out and look like regular athletic socks (just higher.)

I have a mild form of CVI.

Trump probably has it too but it's at the bottom of his conditions in terms of severity. He has much worse issues that they're not disclosing. IMO.

and footdrop...The frequent capture of him leaning waaaay forward with what appeared to be heel lifts, his past abnormal tongue movements, his impulsiveness and rages--especially overnight. All of the latter are (as multiple neurologists have agreed) suggestive of at least early dementia (and most suggestive of frontotemporal dementia).

Vascular dementia is likewise a possibility, and the two do have overlapping symptoms. Vascular dementia, though, could suggest a related primary causality for his lower leg edema.

But, no. I'm not convinced that his diagnosis is "benign" in the global sense of that word.

The one I remember was that he was 6’4” and weighed around 235 pounds although he is clearly obese. I have a friend who truly is 6’4” and weighs 225 pounds and he is svelte compared with Trump. This year’s physical says Trump is 6’3” and weighs 224 pounds. He does appear to have lost some weight, but my guess would be closer to 250 pounds.

The lies about his glowing health continue.

More like just 6ft and 300lbs.
What a bunch of effing liars, him and his so called doctors!

I have to watch my salt intake because my feet and ankles swell if I eat what other consider a normal amount of salt. I eat healthy, do all my own housework and shopping, do exercises a couple times a week. I try to keep my weight in the 135 to 145 range which for my height is considered just slightly overweight. I also have 3rd stage kidney failure so drink a lot of water. In no way do I look even close to as unhealthy as the orange preditor looks even with my health issues. And every week he looks worse. Keep up the pressure and all the stories about Epstein and his relationship. They are taking a toll on him. The main problem I see is the next in line is not any better but he does not have the power or the clout or the following that the orange preditor has.

and I also have arthritis and high blood pressure. Issues started in my early 40's, I was a long-distance runner in great health prior to that.

I have been given the same advice you have about watching the salt - along with losing weight (the prednisone for arthritis has not helped with that - although I am tapering off of it now that they've adjusted my meds). I still do a lot of walking, primarily with my wonderful dog, which probably helps more than anything.

My doctors always feel my ankles and comment that if they are ever swollen to come in. It's got to be something they keep an eye on if you have high blood pressure or auto-immune issues at the very least. My guess w/Donald is heart disease just given his horrible diet and obesity.

Swollen ankles, swollen hands are very common when heart is not working properly. Yes venous insufficiency and heart failure.

Your description is accurate and very well said. The number of people in this country who are willing to cover and lie for him is devastating. I do understand some have fear for themselves and their family of retribution from this criminal administration.

Just wondering...I remember after the assassination attempt some Maggats were wearing big bandages on their ears.

New Trump merch could be 'ankle pillows'.

One has to assume that there will be deception and lies with that crowd at all times.

Its interesting how a profession can affect the body.

We are always being warned about sitting all day being bad for you - in fact many people who work in offices are choosing to stand at work. But standing all day is apparently not good either.

I worked for a surgeon - and the first time I saw him wearing scrubs and clogs I almost laughed. But he told me he stands for hours during some cases and the clogs are better for posture.

Was “secondary to what??”

Those are some massively swollen appendages for something just age-related.

Congestive heart failure
Fatty liver disease
Or both…my educated guess is both

the 'diagnosis' was too fast for what you describe as a battery of testing, and ruling out all other options. I have an autoimmune disease, and much of the testing for those is the same, it's done by process of elimination.

Not to mention, as you pointed o0ut, he's got a LOT of other factors against him, so this benign diagnosis is definitely/likely BULLSHIT!

Hope you are doing well otherwise!

I can see the abnormally tall heel, but the entire shoe looks twisted. It curves way before the toe box.

a while back, someone thought possibly he may have had part of his foot amputated from diabetes. That would explain this odd looking shoe that appears to end before the toe joints.

I heard of someone who ignored dietary restrictions of diabetes and had to have amputations.

Right over left to start the knot, the bow is horizontal.

kick

from the standpoint of the idea that he could drop dead. That would be a cure for a lot that's going on now--economy, climate, etc.

However, I care more about all those people he has illegally locked up. Immigrants with no criminal record. So I understand your point.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

then get some TED hose and wear them to work. Yes, they're white, but the brand name hose don't crunch your toes and the stockings provide considerable relief of swelling and fatigue. I can's say I was ready for dancing at the end of a 12 hour shift, but I was no longer ready for an old folks home, either. And yes, helping with the fatigue and low level pain that you're managing to ignore right now will also help with the back pain because your posture will be a bit better.

Buy some ultra thin black socks to wear over them if you must, but do give them a try. There are instructions at their website to help you get the right size.

This is about feeling better, nothing more, but that can be a lot.

({ro note: get the knee high stockings, I've never seen the thigh high ones fit anybody properly)

I cannot deal with support hose. I go into an irrational full-blown panic when I wear them. A phobia left over from childhood trauma.

My condition is tolerable -with minimized salt I’m WNL.

Something that should give all of us pause is how abruptly the MAGAverse has turned against Trump. It isn't really surprising when you consider:

* The people really running things are Theil, Musk, Leo, Putin, Koch, and maybe a dozen others
* They got just about everything they could possibly crave in the Big Billionaire Bill
* They are already positioned to take over when Trump leaves the scene one way or another. Vance will be their reliable puppet, and he'll be a lot less outrageous than Trump, giving them a chance at surviving the mid-terms.

These things are pretty damned obvious. And it follows that they are now looking for a reasonable scenario where Trump can be pushed out. They have identified the health issues and the Epstein thing as two frameworks for pushing him out.

What is not so obvious to me is how this cabal hangs together. Is the Nazi wing (Miller, Bannon et all) with them? It seems more than a little significant that Fuentes has come out so strongly against Trump. That seems to imply an effort by the Theil group to partner with the Nazis, offering them a seat at the table if they help push Trump out.

The Theil people aren't really with the ICE business. On the contrary, they are all business. They want the cheap immigrant labor. But I guess they will make a compromise with the Nazis.

conclusion: they're throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks. And the baloney about makeup on his hand to cover a problem from too much shaking hands is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

i am on multiple heart meds , floursimede wich is a generic for lasix and am on elloquis due to afib. tacacardia and bray cardia . my dad died from chf and mom had and grandad had heart issues as well. mom somoked like a steam train engine and so did dad . i dont know if grandad did or not. i retain fluids as my middle sis . dontt know about oldest sis as we dont discuss much. excllent article.

Leavitt said he had no heart or circulatory problems other than the venous insufficient, and it was a total lie. He's on heart attack meds right now, that isn't because his heart is in the GREAT shape they claim. Just wish he would have an attack and die or even better just rendered him immobile and unable to speak so he could stew in silence as he gets replaced and discarded by magats. Yes, I have an evil side.

Directed at him.

...and we know how he feels about those things.

to distract from the Epstein mess.

We had a long time neighbor who was a dentist. He had to retire early because of the damage to his back. They moved to Gainesville (FL), where he taught at the dental school for many years.

attended Dental school there. It does sound like a good program.

Satan’s plan is to make all of us suffer as long as possible before he takes Trump’s soul.

Unless that’s been ongoing which I doubt.

that he will stroke out soon.

... people can live quite some time, particularly with top notch medical care.

But I live in hope. Every spectacle he has undertaken to get it up (his approval that is) has failed. God knows what spectacular horror is in the works, but he is clearly losing his grip on MAGA, and for his narcissistic, psychopathic, eggshell ego, that is an existential threat that could actually kill him. Even the stress of a few nights of insomnia increases the risk of heart attack. I'll see if I can find it to confirm, but I think a study found that insomnia increases the risk by something like 75%.

He is very Bad News.

I am of the absolute near-certain opinion that given the outward visualization of this guy, the docs and the handlers sat down and decided that the absolute most benign condition which could be diagnosed from his appearance alone was chronic venous insufficiency.

As I remember it he had a pretty severe case back in 2020 when he was treated for it.
Here is an NIH paper about this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11122535/

refused help, or to move in with relatives or assisted living. She was supposedly under a doctor's care, but her daughter did not have medical power of attorney/what ever it is called. When we saw her for her last holiday, she had finally agreed to move into assisted living, her ankles still swollen. With in a few weeks, she had a health episode a few weeks later, and went into hospital, and never came out. She died, because she always said she was fine, no pain, everything was fine. The death certificate said she died of congestive heart failure.

The orange one is really sick. His hand shows iv bruising and his ankles/legs have to hurt.

My cousin and I were trying to figure out if she'll go full Jackie with her widow's ensemble - a full heavy veil would hide her smile.

We are sure that his funeral is one appearance she won't charge for.

It's a serious condition, one that will take him out of the spotlight as he deteriorates further.

The report that was read out to reporters was full of misdirection, trivialization, and 'not to worry, is not that bad' statements.

I'd like to know:
How long Trump has been on blood thinners.
If he has dialysis for kidney problems - the makeup on the back of his hand may be hiding a bruise from dialysis.

I'd want to see some numbers:
Resting heart rate and blood pressure. Flat on a bed, legs raised.
Same for sitting upright and mild exercise (does he still golf?)

Being careless with his diet, not getting regular exercise and being overweight all his adult life, he is a classic candidate for heart failure.

My suggestion: Stop signing executive orders, grow a conscience, and just go away!

Bone spurs could have become inflamed which is causing the swelling and need be surgically removed by a new Chinese method called anklestomp.
I have neither bone spurs nor the veinous condition but I do have a pilonidal cyst, which differentiates me from trump in that I am not a perfect asshole.
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Not an ego, jimmy the one is a British naval term.

also in my seventies with much the same medical history and status as your post describes, although I chose to continue working on my feet at the local high school as a lunch lady for the past 10 years. I find that this work fills all my needs for exercise, socialization… plus daily interaction with teenagers is the best youth serum on the market.

My varicose veins are very prominent and gnarly after nearly sixty years working on my feet, but I found that doing five minutes of yoga stretches every morning in bed before rising eliminated any pain and weakness in my legs and back once I was up and moving. I say it’s my secret weapon when my much younger co-workers ask me where I get my energy and stamina.

I see Rump mainly sitting in a chair or a golf cart and it’s no surprise to me that he can barely walk once he’s up. Use it or lose it has always been sound advice.

I too suffer from venous insufficiency and have been having various treatments for it since 2017. Is it just me, or did this (probably fake) diagnosis feel insulting to others who have it? My first thought was, "I don't want to have ANYTHING in common with that motherf#cker!" And now, as I predicted to my daughter when it was announced, everyone and their brother is now talking about the condition. Even though I know on an intellectual level that it's ridiculous to feel this way, all these people jabbering about it somehow feels like an invasion of privacy (for me and other decent people who deal with this, that is - I couldn't give a rat's if every bit of sensitive information on the orange menace became fodder for the gossip mill!).

why didn't Trump's doctors release the information per an annual exam?

It only became necessary to come up with a cover story after people saw the swelling AND the (likely) catheter.

Maybe that's why Murdock wants to switch horses, probably mid-stream.