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kentuck

(114,441 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:04 AM Friday

Stories, such as the one about the "Birthday Card", do not harm Donald Trump.

His MAGA supporters only care about the details of the child sex-ring and stories like the one pushed by the WSJ about his "birthday card" do not move them. It probably helps him if it takes the storyline away from the actual crimes against children or very young girls?

We have to keep our eye on the ball. We may enjoy these juicy side stories, but history has proven that the MAGA supporters could not care less. They like the fact that Trump is threatening to sue WSJ.

There is only one story that they are interested in. We should not allow ourselves to be diverted by shiny objects or juicy tales, in my opinion.

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Stories, such as the one about the "Birthday Card", do not harm Donald Trump. (Original Post) kentuck Friday OP
If this were two weeks ago, I'd agree. But the shell has cracked, and this does tie him tightly to Epstein. Scrivener7 Friday #1
Precisely. Frankly B.See Friday #36
;-{) Goonch Friday #2
Do you think the MAGAs care that Trump was part of the child sex ring operation? Irish_Dem Friday #3
I think they still don't believe it. But if they come to believe it, it's the one thing that they would care about. Scrivener7 Friday #5
The MAGAs don't care about their own children. Irish_Dem Friday #7
Yes. But for some reason child sex abuse crosses their line where child murder does not. Scrivener7 Friday #10
We shall see how this plays out. Irish_Dem Friday #12
from my year spent in rural Arizona lapfog_1 Friday #17
My aunt ran a charity in a rural area back in the day. She also saw this. Scrivener7 Friday #20
I think the MAGAs will be fine with trump's child rapes. Irish_Dem Friday #24
IN other words, they believe it is all a "Democrat" scandal...? kentuck Friday #26
Yes MAGAs can commit any crimes they want. Irish_Dem Friday #28
Geeebzzz, that's horrific! electric_blue68 Friday #30
Yes. kentuck Friday #6
I think the MAGAs could see video of Trump raping a 4 year old and wouldn't give a damn. Irish_Dem Friday #9
I hate to admit it... kentuck Friday #15
Yes if you assume the worst of them you will Irish_Dem Friday #23
I don't think they will care except that Dear Leader lied to them. travelingthrulife Friday #21
I don't think the MAGAs will care that Melania was a teen hooker. Irish_Dem Friday #25
Libel is bad even if the target is a villain n/t 4th Friday #4
Truth is an absolute defense to libel. Ocelot II Friday #8
Trump is suing. Think he will win? n/t 4th Friday #13
Nope. WSJ would have had their lawyers examine every word of that article Ocelot II Friday #14
But 60 minutes actually did nothing wrong and Paramount caved karynnj Friday #18
If the WSJ were worried, they wouldn't have published it to begin with. W_HAMILTON Friday #27
My thought is it is a ploy to scuttle his very real Epstein connection liability karynnj Friday #33
...what you said... BoRaGard Friday #32
Only a blood clot superpatriotman Friday #11
The birthday card is extremely weird and says shit that can be interpreted as referring to under-aged girls Prairie Gates Friday #16
Secret Missions to Vietnam.... travelingthrulife Friday #22
He promised to release the files Keepthesoulalive Friday #19
My thoughts, too. cilla4progress Friday #29
What if it was a democrat that send him that card ? JI7 Friday #31
At that time, Donald Trump was a Democrat. kentuck Friday #34
NY is a democraticc state JI7 Friday #35

Scrivener7

(56,491 posts)
1. If this were two weeks ago, I'd agree. But the shell has cracked, and this does tie him tightly to Epstein.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:07 AM
Friday

And they have been fed the idea that Epstein is a central figure in Q for years.

Whereas we deplore Epstein, they have made him one of the foundation stones of the movement that gives them their identity.

Cankles has been telling them for years that he'd expose Epstein's cabal of Democratic lizard people, but the moment some light is shined on that cabal, Cankles himself is shown to be the devil's wing man.

B.See

(5,903 posts)
36. Precisely. Frankly
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:42 PM
Friday

I fully expect MAGA to either ignore, dismiss, or pull their usual "to forgive is divine'" bs they deploy whenever one of their own is found guilty of the sht they accuse others of. So maybe this eventually won't harm TSF... no more than anything else he's done has.

But that DOESN'T MATTER.

MAGAS have shown no reluctance in accusing Democrats of being part of some pedo ring, and have willingly deployed characterizations such as 'groomer' or 'predator' against any liberal advocating for the rights of marginalized people.

Have used it in defense of their hate based so-called culture war and to demonize anyone in disagreement with them.

And now they're learning their "chosen one," their "second coming of Christ" is a pedo in Chief. Quite the comeuppance, methinks.

So, yes, ultimately it prolly won't matter to em. But at least they'll KNOW. and so will we.

Irish_Dem

(72,500 posts)
3. Do you think the MAGAs care that Trump was part of the child sex ring operation?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:10 AM
Friday

At the very least Trump was a frequent client, a child rapist.
And most likely Trump was supplying underage girls.

Scrivener7

(56,491 posts)
5. I think they still don't believe it. But if they come to believe it, it's the one thing that they would care about.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:12 AM
Friday

Irish_Dem

(72,500 posts)
7. The MAGAs don't care about their own children.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:17 AM
Friday

They are fine with 6 year olds being slaughtered with military grade weapons as they sit in school.
Fine with children being drowned in flash floods.
Fine with police officers standing around while there is a school shooting in progress.

lapfog_1

(31,127 posts)
17. from my year spent in rural Arizona
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:41 AM
Friday

helping my nephew with his then pre-teen daughter ( he has PTSD ).

What I can tell you is that there is ( or was ) an epidemic of child sex abuse in rural America.

My grand niece had a group of friends from middle school ( all girls ) and almost ALL of them experienced sex abuse at the age of 12 or younger, from uncles and dads and "friends of he family" etc. Even grandfathers. I guess I have led a sheltered life as I have never encountered such horrors before.

I still can't really process it.

But I think this is the one thing that MAGA can't really get over. They will forgive Trump anything ( rape of an legal age woman ) but not of child rape. Thing is, they have been convinced for DECADES now that Democrats are all child sex abusers and satanic devil worshipers... Many of them thought Trump would expose it all... and now to see that not only will he not expose the Hollywood liberals and Democratic politicians as being part of a huge pedophile ring, but that HE might be part of it ( and maybe one of the main players ) is just breaking what is left of their minds.

Scrivener7

(56,491 posts)
20. My aunt ran a charity in a rural area back in the day. She also saw this.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:01 AM
Friday

I've been sheltered too, thank God.

Irish_Dem

(72,500 posts)
24. I think the MAGAs will be fine with trump's child rapes.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:19 AM
Friday

They forgive him everything.

And others are pointing out it is the norm in red states?

kentuck

(114,441 posts)
26. IN other words, they believe it is all a "Democrat" scandal...?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:24 AM
Friday

...and all they really care about is that the Democrats are executed for their crimes?

Irish_Dem

(72,500 posts)
28. Yes MAGAs can commit any crimes they want.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:27 AM
Friday

Dems must be jailed or executed for just breathing.

Irish_Dem

(72,500 posts)
9. I think the MAGAs could see video of Trump raping a 4 year old and wouldn't give a damn.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:18 AM
Friday

The MAGAs are totally demented.

kentuck

(114,441 posts)
15. I hate to admit it...
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:35 AM
Friday

...but you are probably right. We expect too much from humanity.

travelingthrulife

(2,889 posts)
21. I don't think they will care except that Dear Leader lied to them.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:01 AM
Friday

They seem to be completely on board with grown men doing as they please to kids and women. Paternalism sucks.

The interesting one to me will be Melania. So many MAGA women think she is a wonderful, Godly woman, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. If it is confirmed she was a Lolita, on the Lolita plane humping Trump on their 'first date', the shrieks of slut and harlot can't be far behind. Wait until they add that to her unlikely green card entry into this country. A harlot and an 'illegal'. Maybe Trump will dump her to get back into their good graces.

Irish_Dem

(72,500 posts)
25. I don't think the MAGAs will care that Melania was a teen hooker.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:23 AM
Friday

The MAGAs don’t care what sex crimes the trumps commit. Or any crimes for that matter.

Ocelot II

(126,090 posts)
14. Nope. WSJ would have had their lawyers examine every word of that article
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:29 AM
Friday

before publishing it. Trump even called Murdoch and threatened him with litigation before the article was published. Trump is bluffing and/or trying to extort money, like he always does, but WSJ says Bring it on.

karynnj

(60,414 posts)
18. But 60 minutes actually did nothing wrong and Paramount caved
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:48 AM
Friday

The editing did not change the impression one would have of Harris. However, among the many powers Trump abused was to threaten the government would not approve a merger they want.

With the WSJ it is easier. Trump can withhold access to WSJ reporters. If Trump actually sues, he would probably be aiming for a settlement that he will then sell as because it was untrue. Something he does with many other things.

W_HAMILTON

(9,341 posts)
27. If the WSJ were worried, they wouldn't have published it to begin with.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:26 AM
Friday

Every point you try to make, WSJ would've been well aware of already -- and yet they still published it.

karynnj

(60,414 posts)
33. My thought is it is a ploy to scuttle his very real Epstein connection liability
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:15 PM
Friday

If WSJ apologizes or concedes wrongdoing, it will be framed that Trump did nothing wrong on his years of association with Epstein.

Prairie Gates

(5,706 posts)
16. The birthday card is extremely weird and says shit that can be interpreted as referring to under-aged girls
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:39 AM
Friday

The whole "enigmas never get old" and "wonderful secret" stuff is creepy as hell.

Here's the real problem: a lot of MAGAs didn't think any of the Trump Epstein connections were true at all. They thought all the pictures were faked. The reason so many of them are being really weird right now is because they are seeing that some of the stuff they thought was fake is actually true. The video of Trump commenting on women to Epstein is an example. They thought it was all fake. These are the true believer MAGAs who think goofy shit like Trump didn't dodge the draft but went on secret missions to Vietnam. The hardcore nuts.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,560 posts)
19. He promised to release the files
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 09:50 AM
Friday

Because it would show dems are pedophiles and they could finally get to see democrats go to jail.
It has shaken MAGA , they were promised the files day 1 now there are no files, the democrats set up fake files uh the dog ate the files. This was a huge thing among the faithful. When people in a cult start to wake up their worldview can change. Let’s keep piling on. Please stop fearing trumpers , lets out vote them.

JI7

(92,338 posts)
31. What if it was a democrat that send him that card ?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:53 PM
Friday

it suddenly wouldn't be such a non issue anymore.

JI7

(92,338 posts)
35. NY is a democraticc state
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:48 PM
Friday

he did what he thought was beneficial to him.

He is not a democrat and is a Republican.

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