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highplainsdem

(57,555 posts)
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:04 PM Jul 16

Delta moves toward eliminating set prices in favor of AI that determines how much you personally will pay for a ticket

https://fortune.com/2025/07/16/delta-moves-toward-eliminating-set-prices-in-favor-of-ai-that-determines-how-much-you-personally-will-pay-for-a-ticket/

Fresh off a victory lap after a better-than-expected earnings report, Delta Air Lines is leaning into AI as a way to boost its profit margins further by maximizing what individual passengers pay for fares.

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Delta accomplishes this pricing through a partnership with Fetcherr, a six-year-old Israeli company that also counts Azul, WestJet, Virgin Atlantic, and VivaAerobus as clients. And it has its sights set beyond flying. “Once we will be established in the airline industry, we will move to hospitality, car rentals, cruises, whatever,” cofounder Robby Nissan said at a travel conference in 2022.

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“AI isn’t just optimizing business operations, but fundamentally rewriting the rules of commerce and consumer experience,” Matt Britton, author of Generation AI, told Fortune. “For consumers, this means the era of “fair” pricing is over. The price you see is the price the algorithm thinks you’ll accept, not a universal rate.”

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To complicate matters, while industry experts expect the impact of AI to mean more revenue for Delta, the impact for individual passengers is less certain. In the short-term, AI might mean more discounts offered upfront when Delta needs to fill seats, said Leff. Short-term, shoppers might benefit from using a VPN and clearing cookies when browsing for airfares, but long-term, Delta and other airlines might require passengers “to be logged in for purchase of tickets in order to obtain status benefits from an airline, essentially being fully within their ecosystem to gain the benefits of that system (i.e. submit to personalized pricing to get extra legroom seats),” Leff said. Early research on personalized pricing isn’t favorable for the consumer. Consumer Watchdog found that the best deals were offered to the wealthiest customers—with the worst deals given to the poorest people, who are least likely to have other options.
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Delta moves toward eliminating set prices in favor of AI that determines how much you personally will pay for a ticket (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 16 OP
"The best deals were offered to the wealthiest customers -- with the worst deals given to the poorest people" dalton99a Jul 16 #1
The rich will get everything complementary. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #2
Fly the friendly skies... Hekate Jul 16 #3
I think Delta seriously underestimates how tired people are of being fucked by airlines . . . hatrack Jul 16 #4
If all the airlines do it, then it becomes a normal scam, like health insurance and everything else. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #5
Yes. All this country ever does is normalize the most insane capitalist shit possible. Karasu Jul 16 #15
Citizens from other modern democracies shake their heads at Americans. Irish_Dem Jul 17 #16
Think Delta is doing something already. I flew them to Costa Rica and back twice earlier thi year. The round trip sinkingfeeling Jul 16 #6
In Europe, we get punished for shopping around online. DFW Jul 17 #17
Use their own strategy against them. multigraincracker Jul 16 #7
You won't be talking to this AI in this way, it will be an opaque, black box type of process, but AZJonnie Jul 16 #8
Excellent, because I won't pay more than $60 Rstrstx Jul 16 #9
What happens to capitalism when there is no ability to price shop? jmbar2 Jul 16 #10
Hey, maybe congress could do some sort of regulation or.... progressoid Jul 16 #11
Someone will offer a counter AI service that hides the consumer behind a VPN Gaugamela Jul 16 #12
What could possibly go wrong? Initech Jul 16 #13
This shit is fucking end-stage capitalism. There is nothing beyond it. It is greed in its purest, most inhuman form. Karasu Jul 16 #14
This brings up another major question DFW Jul 17 #18

dalton99a

(89,592 posts)
1. "The best deals were offered to the wealthiest customers -- with the worst deals given to the poorest people"
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:08 PM
Jul 16

Hekate

(98,677 posts)
3. Fly the friendly skies...
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:18 PM
Jul 16

I think I may be done with this form of mass transit — but like millions of others, that leaves me a continent away from dear friends.

hatrack

(63,123 posts)
4. I think Delta seriously underestimates how tired people are of being fucked by airlines . . .
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:26 PM
Jul 16

Endless, soulless, crust-scratching, turnip-squeezing, shit-breathed greed.

Irish_Dem

(72,736 posts)
5. If all the airlines do it, then it becomes a normal scam, like health insurance and everything else.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:31 PM
Jul 16

Americans get used to being scammed quite quickly.

Irish_Dem

(72,736 posts)
16. Citizens from other modern democracies shake their heads at Americans.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 05:07 AM
Jul 17

For allowing themselves to be so screwed over and over.
No healthcare, education, childcare, paid leave, vacation time etc.
And Americans live in the richest country in the history of the world.

Some Europeans think Americans didn't suffer enough during WWII like the rest of the world.
So dIdn't demand change.

sinkingfeeling

(55,997 posts)
6. Think Delta is doing something already. I flew them to Costa Rica and back twice earlier thi year. The round trip
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:31 PM
Jul 16

economy fare was $660. Went to book my final flight down this month and the same flights are $1320!

DFW

(58,586 posts)
17. In Europe, we get punished for shopping around online.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:41 AM
Jul 17

And more so if you call them up.

Often, when I know I need to fly somewhere, I check to see what fares and schedules are available. If I find something I think will work, but want to compare with fares elsewhere, if I come back to the original offer, the price will have increased by 10% to 25%. I don‘t have any way to know if this is true, but it is as if any price inquiry from a certain ip address is immediately communicated Europe-wide so that no airline will ever quote lower, and a repeat inquiry comes back at a higher price than the initial quote.

In my experience, if I can‘t get my reservation done online, I call the airline as a last resort. They often say, „you must be talking about some internet fare. We don’t see them, and we are not allowed to sell at those prices.“A quick inquiry lends credibility to their „we don‘t see them“ statement. The accent of the Air France agent on a recent call prompted me to ask where I was talking to. It turned out to be that major hub of French aviation: Santiago, Chile.

multigraincracker

(36,040 posts)
7. Use their own strategy against them.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:34 PM
Jul 16

Delay, Deny and Defend. Start with “I’ll look for a better deal elsewhere first”. Then “I can’t afford your price”. Third “you need to hire better MBAs”.
Be interesting to see how AI responds.

AZJonnie

(1,100 posts)
8. You won't be talking to this AI in this way, it will be an opaque, black box type of process, but
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:51 PM
Jul 16

Hackers will likely figure out (and disseminate) how to game this bullshit in your favor, if one keeps their ear to the ground to learn the means.

Rstrstx

(1,604 posts)
9. Excellent, because I won't pay more than $60
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 09:56 PM
Jul 16

For a ticket to Rio. Let them put that into their algorithm

jmbar2

(7,101 posts)
10. What happens to capitalism when there is no ability to price shop?
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 10:09 PM
Jul 16

Completely obscures market price discovery. Ominous.

progressoid

(51,669 posts)
11. Hey, maybe congress could do some sort of regulation or....
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 10:12 PM
Jul 16

...just kidding. They ain't doing shit.

Gaugamela

(2,911 posts)
12. Someone will offer a counter AI service that hides the consumer behind a VPN
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 10:26 PM
Jul 16

and creates a false online persona giving you the appearance of a cheapskate.

Karasu

(1,697 posts)
14. This shit is fucking end-stage capitalism. There is nothing beyond it. It is greed in its purest, most inhuman form.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 11:11 PM
Jul 16

This country has completely dropped the ball in refusing to regulate AI. There is no recovering from that.

DFW

(58,586 posts)
18. This brings up another major question
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:00 AM
Jul 17

Does this mean that in the near future, ALL fares will be immediate payment due, non-refundable, non-exchangeable?

While that sounds like something Trump would support, I‘m betting that would not survive two weeks into the next Democratic administratoon.

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