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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKrasnov's 4th of July not-so-funnies: Bomb Moscow and St Petersburg
Donald Trump asked Volodymyr Zelenskyy if Ukraine could hit Moscow, say people briefed on callUS president encouraged Ukrainian leader to step up deep strikes on Russia
Two people familiar with the conversation between Trump and Zelenskyy said the US president had asked his Ukrainian counterpart whether he could hit military targets deep inside Russia if he provided weapons capable of doing so.
Volodymyr, can you hit Moscow? . . . Can you hit St Petersburg too? Trump asked on the call, according to the people.
They said Zelenskyy replied: Absolutely. We can if you give us the weapons.
Trump signalled his backing for the idea, describing the strategy as intended to make them [Russians] feel the pain and force the Kremlin to the negotiating table, said the two people briefed on the call.
Financial Times
Krasnov has walked it back.
Ukraine war briefing: Dont bomb Moscow, Trump says, after reportedly giving Zelenskyy the idea
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/16/ukraine-morning-briefing-dont-bomb-moscow-trump-says-after-reportedly-giving-zelenskyy-the-idea

CanonRay
(15,447 posts)What a. lousy time to have this moron in the White House.
Botany
(74,872 posts)Zelenskyy is smart enough to never give any real information to Trump.
speak easy
(12,079 posts)BoRaGard
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sakabatou
(45,133 posts)Emrys
(8,680 posts)If Trump had been paying any attention, he'd have known that.
However, they generally haven't been targeting civilians, but rather infrastructure, e.g.:
Mapped: The latest strikes on Ukraine and Russia as war rages on - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moscow-drone-strike-ukraine-war-map-b2385704.html
Ukraine strikes Moscow in biggest drone attack to date - https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/europe/ukraine-drone-strikes-moscow-intl
Three killed in biggest Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow region - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-launches-drone-attacks-targeting-moscow-russia-says-2025-03-11/
Some Russians celebrated Ukrainian drone strikes on Moscow, intercepted calls suggest - https://kyivindependent.com/some-russians-celebrated-ukrainian-drone-strikes-on-moscow-intercepted-calls-suggest/
Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow closes 2 major airports - https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-drone-attack-moscow-closes-2-major-airports/
Ukraine drones hit St Petersburg gas terminal in Russia - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68046347
Ukrainian drones reportedly hit industrial site near St. Petersburg in attack on multiple Russian oblasts - https://kyivindependent.com/drones-reportedly-attack-russias-leningrad-rostov-oblasts-causing-severe-fires/
speak easy
(12,079 posts)which have a range up to 300kms.
Emrys
(8,680 posts)https://www.dw.com/en/will-ukraines-neptune-long-range-missile-make-a-difference/a-71998877
Further Ukrainian-built long-range missiles are in development.
but I don't think killing zMoscow civilians is a good idea
Emrys
(8,680 posts)The Ukrainians haven't had weaponry to waste on attempts at terrorism by attacking solely civilian targets. There have been some civilian casualties as a result of their attacks of civilian infrastructure, but relatively few - certainly far, far fewer than the Russians have inflicted with their blatant and widespread attacks on medical facilities, blocks of flats etc. I think Ukraine would lose a fair amount of support and the higher ground if they changed tactics, and I don't foresee it happening.
As ever, once you look beyond the initial media reaction to a move by Trump, especially one involving support for Ukraine, the picture gets more complicated and the support less generous. Germany's on board with supplying the Patriots mentioned, and those could come soon, but France wants to focus on shoring up European arms manufacture, and Italy's not going to be involved. Kaja Kallas has pointed out that if the European powers and NATO partners are expected to foot the bill for whatever Trump chooses to allow to be bought, then we're talking about European and NATO, not US, support.
This pattern about long-range weapons supply has repeated at various times during the conflict. Even during Biden's tenure, Ukraine had its own weapons that had the range required when his administration was stalling, but payloads and stockpiles were relatively small, and they lacked stealth features.
I don't know the calculus behind Ukraine's desire for what will be relatively expensive US long-range weaponry compared to what they can increasingly produce domestically and in collaboration with their partners. While I'm sure more and a greater variety would be useful, I suspect it's more a question of signalling. They need to strike facilities on Russian soil that are being used to construct and launch the weaponry that's wreaking havoc in their cities during Putin's latest murderous onslaughts, and that's been the recent focus of their drone programme and other strategies - take out the archer, not just the arrow - so that's likely to be the main use to which they'd put supplies beyond anti-aircraft installations.
It hasn't had much media coverage in the last year or so, but Kellogg's framing in various interviews on Fox etc. of the incoming administration's plans regarding Russia and Ukraine was intended to be carrot and stick to encourage the parties to the negotiating table - more funding and supplies for Ukraine if it co-operated, the lifting of sanctions for the Russians if they did. Watered down and uncertain as it is, this latest move is closer to that strategy than Trump's moves so far, where he's sanctioned Ukraine but not Russia, and cut off supplies to Ukraine even though Zelensky has done all he can to comply with Trump's shifting whims.
Just don't expect Trump to do beyond the bare minimum to placate the Republicans in Congress and mollify to an extent US partners in NATO.