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One of my associates, after reviewing the link to my last OP, laughed and said, What the fuck? How did the maga cult become so stupid that they really believed in a satanic group of Democratic Party big-wigs, raping and cooking children, and that (the felon) was the only man brave enough to secretly oppose them? I said, Oh, that's easy. Let's start from back in 1988, when Bush the Elder was running for president..... Before I could continue, he suggested I write it down and post it on DU, and send him the link.
In 1988, when Bush the Elder began his campaign for the presidency, the felon let Lee Atwater know he was available to be the vice president. Bush found this strange and unbelievable. So much for the incorrect concept that the felon did not long desire to obtain political power. (While I shall not footnote everything here, those interested should see page 326 of Jon Meacham's biography of Bush Sr.)
Next, we go to the years 2006 to 2008. Epstein is charged in a 53-page indictment, that suggests the identity of three co-offenders. The federal prosecutor Alexander Acosta accepts a plea agreement offered by Alan Dershowitz, which allows Epstein to leave his cell days to work, and closes the door on further investigations. Why did Alex do this? The Attorney General told him Epstein was intelligence and to back off. Acosta would, of course, serve as the felon's labor secretary.
In 2007, the beginning of what was known as the Tea Party took place. Republican leaders were aware that Ron Paul was getting support for a presidential run. The Tea Party would, they believed, keep right-wingers in the control of the party including those normally to the right of the corporate republicans in Congress. In 2008, when Senator Obama became the Democratic Party's nominee for president, it caught on, attracting openly racist citizens. In the 2010 mid-terms, their numbers would win elections that created the Tea Party Caucus in Congress.
Thus, in 2011, the felon did two things: begin to demand President Obama'a birth certificate, and say he might run for president. The birth certificate bit was a call to racists that caught on. His campaign for the presidency fizzled out. Likewise, the Tea Party was no longer on the margins of the republican party, which would no longer support anyone of the manner of a Mitt Romney after his 2012 defeat.
The felon was elected president in 2016.
Those who orchestrated what in 2017 was known as Q-anon the right-wing nest of retired FBI agents loyal to Rudy Guiliani began a series of lies to program republican voters. Most, if not all, of the Q-anon information, if repeated by an individual, would be evidence that they were delusional. But it became thousands, then millions, that bought into the delusions. We all remember John F. Kennedy, Jr.'s being at the felon's events in Dealey Plaza.
More titilating, of course, was Q-anan's story of the satanic group led by the Clintons of child sex abusing world leaders. This included pointing out that Bill Clinton had known Jeffery Epstein. Before going on, I should note that though Clinton was a good president, he was an imperfect man, in the same way that men like JFK, King, and other great leaders were. But I can say with zero chance of error that Bill Clinton had nothing to do with Epstein's sex ring. It was business that brought the two together, for Epstein had financial juice on the international level.
In 2019, Epstein was again arrested. Among the items found in his NYC home's safe was an Austrian passport. Epstein had traveled to England, France, Spain, and Saudi Arabia using this passport in the past. Also found was evidence of sex trafficking, including files with under aged girls' names and the name of the men connected to them. (USA Today, July 10, 2019)
Jeffery died unexpectedly while incarcerated in the Metropolitan Correctional Center. This seemed odd, considering he was housed on the MCC's most secure wing. Rather than my going into depth on the MCC, Nic Tartaglione, and how many guards work for the Russian mob in NYC, I will suggest going to Crime Wave, the pod cast by Declan Hill, based on research he and his classes at the University of New Haven's studies of criminal justice and forensic sciences did.
Of course, the maga republican bowel movement changed hard facts into soft shit, and used these events to place even greater delusions into the cult's misunderstanding of the country they lived in. Release the Epstein files! became their war cry in 2024's presidential election. This, of course, answers my associate's question of how the members of the maga cult were led astray. But a funny (not humorous) thing happened. The felon was again elected. They learned that the actual Epstein files are the exact opposite of the nonsense they had told the cult. If released, they do no harm to Democrats, with the exception of the late Bill Richardson. (I hate even mentioning that, as I always respected him.
The most important thing that we need to do now is to actively support Rep. Jamie Raskin's call for A.G. Bondi to release two things: the Epstein files, and part two of Jack Smith's report on the classified documents the felon stole. I think Rep. Raskin is among the most intelligent and honest elected representatives in our country's history. The fact that he spoke about the two things in a recent press conference suggests that there may be a connection among the files he stole.

Uncle Joe
(62,480 posts)
Thanks for the thread H2O Man.
Great call! The felon always projects. It is impossible for him to do otherwise. And the more pressure he is under, the more he projects!
Thank you!
johnnyfins
(2,513 posts)Why did you take Epstein case files to Mar A Lago?
I hope that a few Democrats in Congress ask that publicly, in order to increase the chances of a journalist asking the felon.
Saoirse9
(3,894 posts)These are all things I knew but youve put them together and given context.
Amazing essay.
I am still asking the same question as your friend though.
How could they be so fucking stupid?
Seriously!!! I lived in NYC in 47s heyday. He was a buffoon even back in 1979 when I moved there. No one I knew, literally no one, thought of him as anything but a grifter and a serial womanizer. He couldnt have been elected mayor if he wanted to. No one was interested in him for anything other than the occasional ridiculous headline.
They elected him president!!! How are they so f-ing stupid?
How is it that they cant see through the constant lies?
I should have included the television series "The Apprentice." A sad reality is that television ruled the minds of a large portion of the public, much like it plus the internet do today. Reality is purposely blurred. I note that Jim Morrison spoke of this.
Without even going into AI, let's just think of human interactions with machines. In and of themselves, machines are unconscious. But in the constant human contact -- think young people and cell phones -- a strange relationship grows. It would seem odd to think that is limited to human's conscious level, when communicating with or by way of an unconscious machine, wouldn't it? And might that explain, at least in part, why my lawn-mower is more likely to catch on that the felon is a liar than most maga folks?
homegirl
(1,802 posts)Why Trump shouldnt try to draw parallels between his Epstein and Russian scandals
If Donald Trump believes the Russia scandal and the Jeffrey Epstein scandal are of equal validity, then the White House has a real problem on its hands.
Trump says he was surprised that Jerome Powell, the Fed chair he appointed, was appointed
Donald Trump seemed to forget that he appointed Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, which was part of an unsettling pattern of cognitive missteps.
OldBaldy1701E
(8,466 posts)They got exactly what they wanted. A racist, dictatorial narcissist who will do anything for the right payout.
Just what the vile element in this society wanted.
malaise
(287,131 posts)Rec
I wrote this on a couple breaks from mowing the lawn. It's 88 degrees and humid out these. So the OP is almost a court-certified document of what I was saying to myself as I mowed! (grin)
We are in the strangest of times!
usonian
(19,356 posts)Asking for a friend. Siri.
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)mower. Thus, my lawn is a tad smaller than it was 30 years ago, with fewer trails mowed through the fields, swamp, and woods. My second cousin says we should get in shape to enter the 50+ Golden Gloves, as long as they have 15 second rounds.
SalviaBlue
(3,083 posts)underpants
(191,705 posts)Id never heard the QAnon ex-FBI loyal to Rudy angle. I thought the Watkins started and ran QAnon.
We watched a 6 part documentary on them and it was pretty clear it was them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Watkins_(businessman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Watkins
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)his father, and another guy who I can't think of at the moment. But yes, without question, they did.
Now, before I return to mowing, I'll say this: there was just a re-trial of a Karen Read in MA. You might be familiar, but for others who aren't, she was accused of killing her boyfriend by backing her SUV into him. Long story short, the FBI had investigated the case, as part of a wider investigation of corruption in the Boston area. The FBI outsources to groups, in this case the most respected in their field, and concluded that she did not hit him. Still, she was prosecuted twice, found "not guilty" by a jury, except for a drinking and driving charge.
The jury was not told that the FBI had hired the experts they heard testifying, because the judge ruled that would give their testimony unfair weight. Why? Because the FBI only outsources to the very best.
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)What I believe is that two unidentified men -- a retired therapist and a retired Berkley professor -- had started a joke with a name similar to that ...... if I remember correctly, those letters (Q & ?) are what some religious scholars call what are believed to be pre-gospel writings of Jesus's sayings. Anyhow, it is rumored that Jim Kallstrom saw it, thought it was hilarious, and advocated for what would become Q-anon.
underpants
(191,705 posts)I probably heard it from you or at the same time. I thought that seemed true for a while. It has to be a joke. It was just too ridiculous. Then it became clear this was something completely different.
MTG got her start as a QAnon influencer.
Theres some truth in every joke.
I think that years ago, we discussed this. I think I even mentioned that my understanding was that a retired therapist and Berkley professor had come up with a joke to aim at the christian right. If memory serves me correctly, it may have come one evening at a small party of old YIPPIES! and one former underground fellow, as they consumed strong pot -- obviously, the types that ignored Nancy Reagan's dire warnings. Legend has it that a discussion of Abbie Hoffmans claim to have been baptized in Pat Boone's swimming pool as proof he could be trusted to come out of hiding that started the whole thing.
Kallstrom is an interesting character. His background experience in Vietnam is impressive, no matter how one viewed that war. He is said to be a serious man with a sense of humor.
Thank you H20 Man
msnbc just showed trmp blaming Bill Clinton.
Such projections will come splattering out of the felon's mouth in the days to come.
spanone
(139,718 posts)H2O Man
(77,514 posts)just called to arrange rides for tomorrow's rally. I told him about the felon blaming President Clinton! We were both laughing so hard!
yonder
(10,107 posts)Same thing here and thanks.
I appreciate you saying that!
What's funny is that I didn't see this coming. It has taken on a life of it's own. I was just talking with a friend arranging rides for tomorrow's rally. He had come from a area historical society meeting. He said one guy was complaining loudly, saying the felon told us to forget Epstein, that there are more important issues facing the country. I said that if this had been taken care of long ago, most of the most pressing issues of the day would have been avoided.
As a very old man, I like to try to connect what is happening today with the past things that set things in motion.
Easterncedar
(4,756 posts)The post is entirely enlightening and terrifying.
Thanks.
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)The lie that the felon never wanted to be president. Right. Just like he is the only man who can defeat the Clinton's satanic cult that eats children at ritual picnics. A modest proposal, of sorts.
Easterncedar
(4,756 posts)I had half believed it was an evil metastatic publicity stunt.
flashman13
(1,421 posts)That is something of a double fake q-anon reverse play. Interesting.
In post # 9, underpants raised that issue. Underpants is one of this forum's members that I have long had the most respect for. Ant it is correct that there is a good series that named Watkins, his father, and I can't remember the name, but I think there was a third gentleman.
In posts #10 and #12, I responded by saying what I think took place.
leftstreet
(36,893 posts)Fascinating.
It's always been of interest to me that 6-7 months after old Poppy Bush croaked, Bill Barr (as Trump's AG and a former Bush deputy AG and family fixer) decides to arrest Epstein and confiscate all his files.
Hmm. Maybe the only person the cabal's been blackmailing is Trump himself.
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)I've never really understood Bill Barr, beyond knowing that he provided some help to a few of Bush the Elder's workers in the Iran-Contra scandal. And attempted to shield the felon from The Mueller Report (and investigation). An ugly toad with too much power to influence things over the years.
As Epstein's death was on Barr's watch, the investigation was up to him. We have learned that he lied about having watched a film that proved Epstein took his own life. Those who question what happen make some interesting points. The pod cast "crime waves" is perhaps the most objective. They take a close look at Barr.
Karasu
(1,697 posts)Republicans. It's practically a religion at this point, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a single American conservative who hasn't bought into at least one of the many, many related conspiracies they've shat out over the last decade. They are that delusional and divorced from reality.
Now the chickens have finally come to home roost and they're forced into a situation where they have to choose. This is the fate they deserve.
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)In a sociological sense, it is absolutely a cult's belief system. I can think of no greater proof than during the 2024 campaign. A journalist asked two maga christian nationalists abou their thought and Jesus and the felon? They both said they liked the felon more, because he was strong while Jesus was weak. That is fucking scary!
I am convinced that Malcolm X would be happy to see your noting that the chickens are coming home to roost!
Justice matters.
(8,678 posts)who inheritated it? Anyone knows?
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)Extremely wealthy people who make their fortunes in private funded him. For example, look into Epstein's investments in a foreign nation's weapon production. One of the extremely wealthy people the public is unfamiliar with told him to invest. That is among the ways to finance an Epstein without leaving a trail. It's not the only one. (One can give a "friend" money to invest, such as when a Saudi prince gives Jared a few billion to invest in the West Bank.)
Epstein only had one blood relative when he died, his younger brother. The brother was not in Epstein's will. It appears that some went to pay off various legal cases, including lawyers and some victims.
Justice matters.
(8,678 posts)his alleged fortune (millions upon millions) came from and went to to the last penny!
Wild blueberry
(7,780 posts)And wonderfully written, too. Thank you.
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)I hope to have more to share in a few days.
niyad
(125,554 posts)azureblue
(2,502 posts)Dear Director Patel,
Before you came into office, I requested the full and complete files related to Jeffrey Epstein. In response to this request, I received approximately 200 pages of documents, which consisted primarily of flight logs. Epstein's list of contacts, and a list of victims' names and phone numbers.
I repeatedly questioned whether this was the full set of documents responsive to my request and was repeatedly assured by the FBI that we had received the full set of documents. Late yesterday, I learned from a source that the FBI Field Office in New York was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related to the investigation and indictment of Epstein. Despite my repeated requests, the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files. When you and I spoke yesterday, you were just as surprised as I was to learn this new information.
By 8:00 a.m. tomorrow, February 28, the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files to my office, including all records, documents, audio and video recordings, and materials related to Jeffrey Epstein and his clients, regardless of how such information was obtained. There will be no withholdings or limitations to my or your access. The Department of Justice will ensure that any public disclosure of these files will be done in a manner to protect the privacy of victims and in accordance with law, as I have done my entire career as a prosecutor.
I am also directing you to conduct an immediate investigation into why my order to the FBI was not followed. You will deliver to me a comprehensive report of your findings and proposed personnel action within 14 days.
I appreciate your immediate attention to this important matter. I know that we are both committed to transparency for the American people, and I look forward to continuing to work with you to serve our President and our Country.
Sincerely,
(Pamela Bondi)
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)I heard that a day or so after saying she had the file on her desk, Bondi said it would take a truck to actually bring them to her. But, because I avoid listening to her if possible, I have only heard her say the first thing.
dlk
(12,802 posts)Wasnt that around the time Trump first went to Moscow ostensibly to build a Trump tower, and began his special friendship with Putin? Seems like there might be a connection.
I believe the felon first visited Russia On July 4, 1987.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/
dlk
(12,802 posts)Russians play the long game. I appreciated your post and the context for current events.
I don't know if everyone understands that Epstein himself didn't need to blackmail anyone. His value was in passing on information.
The intelligence thought of the felon as a petty wanna-be mobster. He made and lost money. His daddy took care of him. He did have some connections with organized crime, of course. Michael Cohen was abe to open doors with him. It was at the time you noted that they saw he was laundering money. In time, Epstein served to provide intelligence for proof of this.
Epstein never was hard up for money. Those who found him useful kept him comfortable. Some were in intelligence, and others were in positions that allowed for financial gain. The second group was in position to influence what deals were made with some of Epstein's foreign guests.
People in this country often strike me as being unaware that others play the long game.
dlk
(12,802 posts)And one hand washes the other. Its not that difficult to figure out.
emulatorloo
(46,071 posts)H2O Man
(77,514 posts)I am happy that it has gotten some responses!
llmart
(16,661 posts)I had to read it through twice to capture it all in my head. Thanks for taking the time out from mowing to compile this. I do know one thing and that is all of us need to keep this topic going, either on social media or in our day to day lives or anyway possible because we cannot rely on legacy media to not let this die. You just know the Idiot is going to do everything he possibly can to try to distract people from this story and I fear what he does will be over the top, even more so than usual. Another "assassination" attempt possibly?
I'm hoping to watch a bit of the news before heading out to today's rally. It seemed like the reports I have seen indicate that the felon is having a brat attack, and is frustrated that he can't stop the widespread discussions on the Epstein files.
Kid Berwyn
(21,500 posts)He also lied about his relationship with Epstein, a guy with jets that he could fly anywhere on the planet. Epsteins brother said Trump and Melanie first consummated their love on one of Jeffs jet. Jeff himself said he introduced the happy couple. Something else that needs to be remembered: Both Trump and Epstein were friends with Roger Stone and Roy Cohn, this guy:
The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn
The unrepentant political hitman who taught a younger Trump how to flout the rules didnt get away with it forever.
By MICHAEL KRUSE
Politico, September 19, 2019
One of Donald Trumps most important mentors, one of the most reviled men in American political history, is about to have another moment.
Roy Cohn, who has been described by people who knew him as a snake, a scoundrel and a new strain of son of a bitch, is the subject of a new documentary out this week from producer and director Matt Tyrnauer. Its an occasion to once again look at Cohn and ask how much of him and his savage, abrasive and amoral behavior is visible in the behavior of the current president. Trump, as has been well-established, learned so much from the truculent, unrepentant Cohn about how to get what he wants, and he pines for Cohn and his notorious capabilities still. Trump, after all, reportedly has said so himself, and its now the name of this film: Wheres My Roy Cohn?
What Cohn could, and did, get away with was the very engine of his existence. The infamous chief counsel for the red-baiting, Joseph McCarthy-chaired Senate subcommittee in the 1950s, Cohn was indicted four times from the mid-60s to the early 70sfor stock-swindling and obstructing justice and perjury and bribery and conspiracy and extortion and blackmail and filing false reports. And three times he was acquittedthe fourth ended in a mistrialgiving him a kind of sneering, sinister sheen of invulnerability. Cohn, Tyrnauers work reaffirms, took his sanction-skirting capers and twisted them into a sort of suit of armor.
Snip...
I decided long ago, Cohn once told Penthouse, to make my own rules.
He was acquitted in 64, and he was acquitted in 69, and he was acquitted in 71, all the while thumbing his nose at the feds, but Cohns screw-you stance was a lifelong philosophy, entitlement plus boldness.
He was an incredibly spoiled princeling of an only child, Cohn cousin David Lloyd Marcus told me. He always got his way, recalled his favorite aunt. As an adult, the resting expression on his face, which was marred by a scar that ran like a scrape down the middle of his nose, was a mixture of arrogant disdain and a whipped-dog look, people observed, caught somewhere between a pout and a challenging glare.
Continues...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144
An important picture that ties things from commie-hunting Joe McCarthy era to Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump via Roger Stone and Associates and the late Jeffrey Epstein:
The Ghost of Roy Cohn
BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014
EXCERPT...
In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into Americas secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).
Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a Pedophile Book hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.
I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohns hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilsons modus operandi:
Historically, one of Wilsons Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary . Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh . A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras . The technicians in charge of filming were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office. (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)
According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilsons operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfreys outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfreys outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.
SOURCE:
https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/
The same Roy Cohn who taught Donald Drumpf also schooled Roger Stone and Jeffrey Epstein...
... Who knew what when? In Palo Alto, after Epsteins conviction, he was a guest at a dinner for the MIT neuroscientist Ed Boyden that was hosted by LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman. At the same dinner Elon Musk introduced Epstein to Mark Zuckerberg. Is money so powerful that it tramples all other considerations? As James Baldwin put it, I cant believe what you say, because I see what you do.
One of the most remarkable moments in Tyrnauers documentary comes near the end, when its no longer possible to pretend that Cohn isnt a liar and a fraud, when its no longer possible to deny that he lacks both shame and conscience. When Cohn was about to be disbarred in 1986 for defrauding his clients and for taking advantage of a dying and incompetent man, character witnesses began to emerge. There were letters to the court from William F. Buckley Jr., Barbara Walters, William Safire, and, of course, Trump, who wrote that Cohn has been extremely loyal and extremely honest. Were Cohns partieswas his protectionreally that good?...
Source: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a29130905/roy-cohn-documentary-wheres-my-roy-cohn/
Its conceivable Matt Gaetz got some learnin, too.
Link to tweet
Steve Bannon also was pals with Epstein, even coaching him for interviews on tee vee.
mercuryblues
(15,777 posts)the files he stole.
The connection is, he was blackmailed for them. Why else would they be stored where anyone could get them?
slightlv
(6,192 posts)but it really jacks my jaws that so many "good" men have to prove themselves via sex with younger, if not underage, girls. One presidential candidate absolutely broke my heart because of it... I actually thought him above that kind of nonsense. Ha! The only one who hasn't so far is Obama... and if word ever comes out about him, it'll break my mind as well as my heart.
I put most of the blame on men, as so many I've met would drop in a sec and have sex with anything that moved (or didn't). But I have to put blame on the girls, too... not the trafficked ones, of course... but we have to many who are swept away by the allure of power and money. It's just heart wrenching all the way around; and of course, it'll never get better because of hormones, and human stupidity.
malthaussen
(18,192 posts)... while he was working for Nixon. Something about purple flock wallpaper and satin sheets. And there was that whole lawsuit about Maureen allegedly being a hooker. Mr Dean was alluding to some kind of prostitution associated with the Administration, albeit not necessarily of underaged girls.
Makes complete sense that intel/FBI would use honey traps to compromise people. To say nothing of foreign governments.
-- Mal
H2O Man
(77,514 posts)was sent by Russia to "make nice" with the NRA. She was, in my opinion, perhaps the most classic case that people tend to remember.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6480163/In-possible-plea-deal-accused-Russian-agent-case-resolved.html
Another was Russian spy Anna Chapman, who -- among her many talents -- got into real estate in NYC. Anna and a handful of others were deported in July of 2010. I'm not sure of how many people remember that the Obama administration was taking care of business this way. But I knew that President Obama's administration was aware for some time of the Russian attempts to compromise business and other leaders in this country.
malthaussen
(18,192 posts)... or was that some other bimbo?
-- Mal
that was someone else. Butina got around though
OneGrassRoot
(23,790 posts)H2O Man
(77,514 posts)that this is a result of a conversation we had here years ago! So thank you!
OneGrassRoot
(23,790 posts)earlier. (Not sure if this is the long-ago conversation you are referring to.)
I was reading something that mentioned the high likelihood that Epstein was an arms dealer or provided money laundering for such activities, starting in the 80s.
Then THAT name popped up in connection to him, saying some believe he was one of Epsteins mentors: Adnan Kashoggi.
That took me back to 1983 when I was acquainted with Oliver North and Gov. Claude Kirk, the latter of whom wanted to put me in touch with Adnan Kashoggi. I was a young woman and privy to conversations I shouldnt have been. Lawd
Our conversation got me to look a bit closer at all that surrounded Epstein. And Kashoggi was a key. I had mentioned him, and I think you messaged me with more information.
PATRICK
(12,289 posts)All fairly well known facts that would have demanded accountability and investigation had we not been what we were for a very long time. I also said long, using JFK's tragically ironic term of historical "trajectory" that the perpetual minority party of the GOP, bound to the roots of its soul to the wealthy super minority MUST get worse to even survive. The combo of lies, media praise for the empty "new" conservatism, and an encyclopedia of dirty election fixing would still need a nut wing branching out through anger and dissatisfaction and end up with a dictatorship. And what crap did they end up trusting to placehold that glory?
One irony, likely in the Bush Sr. biography is that he himself tried to insert himself into the presidential succession with Ford(Nixon too?) with his CIA director job experience. Interesting that ending the Cold War had both the US and Russia looking in that direction and Russia still has it. All the Republicans and their owners were never going to go down like the Whigs. They would become the Know Nothings, the populists, the rubber stamp for the new Nero. To get what the very few want.
(BTW, if I had kept my old pushmower it would have been sharpened down to the axle by now. But I pay some service who does it in five minutes without me sneezing my head off. I still rake it though with that ubiquitous Covid mask.)
Hekate
(98,677 posts)
Epstein: Files in the Ointment
One of my associates, after reviewing the link to my last OP, laughed and said, What the fuck? How did the maga cult become so stupid that they really believed in a satanic group of Democratic Party big-wigs, raping and cooking children, and that (the felon) was the only man brave enough to secretly oppose them? I said, Oh, that's easy. Let's start from back in 1988, when Bush the Elder was running for president..... Before I could continue, he suggested I write it down and post it on DU, and send him the link.
In 1988, when Bush the Elder began his campaign for the presidency, the felon let Lee Atwater know he was available to be the vice president. Bush found this strange and unbelievable. So much for the incorrect concept that the felon did not long desire to obtain political power. (While I shall not footnote everything here, those interested should see page 326 of Jon Meacham's biography of Bush Sr.)
Next, we go to the years 2006 to 2008. Epstein is charged in a 53-page indictment, that suggests the identity of three co-offenders. The federal prosecutor Alexander Acosta accepts a plea agreement offered by Alan Dershowitz, which allows Epstein to leave his cell days to work, and closes the door on further investigations. Why did Alex do this? The Attorney General told him Epstein was intelligence and to back off. Acosta would, of course, serve as the felon's labor secretary.
In 2007, the beginning of what was known as the Tea Party took place. Republican leaders were aware that Ron Paul was getting support for a presidential run. The Tea Party would, they believed, keep right-wingers in the control of the party including those normally to the right of the corporate republicans in Congress. In 2008, when Senator Obama became the Democratic Party's nominee for president, it caught on, attracting openly racist citizens. In the 2010 mid-terms, their numbers would win elections that created the Tea Party Caucus in Congress.
Thus, in 2011, the felon did two things: begin to demand President Obama'a birth certificate, and say he might run for president. The birth certificate bit was a call to racists that caught on. His campaign for the presidency fizzled out. Likewise, the Tea Party was no longer on the margins of the republican party, which would no longer support anyone of the manner of a Mitt Romney after his 2012 defeat.
The felon was elected president in 2016.
Those who orchestrated what in 2017 was known as Q-anon the right-wing nest of retired FBI agents loyal to Rudy Guiliani began a series of lies to program republican voters. Most, if not all, of the Q-anon information, if repeated by an individual, would be evidence that they were delusional. But it became thousands, then millions, that bought into the delusions. We all remember John F. Kennedy, Jr.'s being at the felon's events in Dealey Plaza.
More titilating, of course, was Q-anan's story of the satanic group led by the Clintons of child sex abusing world leaders. This included pointing out that Bill Clinton had known Jeffery Epstein. Before going on, I should note that though Clinton was a good president, he was an imperfect man, in the same way that men like JFK, King, and other great leaders were. But I can say with zero chance of error that Bill Clinton had nothing to do with Epstein's sex ring. It was business that brought the two together, for Epstein had financial juice on the international level.
In 2019, Epstein was again arrested. Among the items found in his NYC home's safe was an Austrian passport. Epstein had traveled to England, France, Spain, and Saudi Arabia using this passport in the past. Also found was evidence of sex trafficking, including files with under aged girls' names and the name of the men connected to them. (USA Today, July 10, 2019)
Jeffery died unexpectedly while incarcerated in the Metropolitan Correctional Center. This seemed odd, considering he was housed on the MCC's most secure wing. Rather than my going into depth on the MCC, Nic Tartaglione, and how many guards work for the Russian mob in NYC, I will suggest going to Crime Wave, the pod cast by Declan Hill, based on research he and his classes at the University of New Haven's studies of criminal justice and forensic sciences did.
Of course, the maga republican bowel movement changed hard facts into soft shit, and used these events to place even greater delusions into the cult's misunderstanding of the country they lived in. Release the Epstein files! became their war cry in 2024's presidential election. This, of course, answers my associate's question of how the members of the maga cult were led astray. But a funny (not humorous) thing happened. The felon was again elected. They learned that the actual Epstein files are the exact opposite of the nonsense they had told the cult. If released, they do no harm to Democrats, with the exception of the late Bill Richardson. (I hate even mentioning that, as I always respected him.
The most important thing that we need to do now is to actively support Rep. Jamie Raskin's call for A.G. Bondi to release two things: the Epstein files, and part two of Jack Smith's report on the classified documents the felon stole. I think Rep. Raskin is among the most intelligent and honest elected representatives in our country's history. The fact that he spoke about the two things in a recent press conference suggests that there may be a connection among the files he stole.