"So sayeth we all"...that's the "Royal" we all...meaning, His excellency Lord Trump...

Thats what he is worried about. If he did, they would be destroyed by now. Maybe Bill Barr made a safety copy when he had the DOJ raid Epstein's Manhattan mansion? A lot of people could have copies. Elon? Tick tock, when will they drop?

Is she holding onto the Epstein Files and Jack Smith’s evidence?

and flushed it down the toilet.

Nothing else makes sense.

It is important to understand that this was not a sex trafficking scandal. It is a Kompromat operation that was conducted over a period of 25 years. THAT is how Epstein made the money to be able to own jets and buy private islands.

Ever wonder how Maxwell fit it? Her father was well connected with MI6, the KGB, and Mossad. That is well documented. SHE had the connections to monetize that Kompromat.

How much would Prince Andrew or Trump pay to have sex with a 13-year-old? $1000? $2000? Maybe even $5000? I guarantee you that the KGB would pay 10-100X that much for the Kompromat. And so would our dearest allies, the Israelis and Mossad. How much is a little Kompromat worth when Israel is getting billions of dollars in aid from the US? It could be worth millions, tens of millions, very easily.

It isn't really complicated. So you can be certain that Epstein sold lots and lots of that stuff over the years. I don't know how much of it is ended up in FBI files. Probably not that much. But it is undoubtedly in files inside some of those other spy agencies.

And here's another thing to think about. Why would MAGA be upset about this? And why would Musk care one way or another? Those answers are linked. MAGA would not care -- indeed, all things equal, they would take Trump's side as they always have. And they certainly aren't concerned about Trump having sex with a 13-year old. So why the outrage from MAGA now?

The only plausible explanation, AFAIK, is that there are people agitating for this within the MAGA space. And that is likely coming from Putin and Musk, working together. For both of them (for entirely different reasons), Trump has outlived his usefulness. Trump booted Musk from his DOGE perch and cut the hell out of the government handouts Musk got rich from. And Putin can't be happy that Trump is at least occasionally taking Ukraine's side. And far from destroying NATO, Trump's abrasiveness has solidified NATO in favor of admitting Ukraine. So maybe Putin has has enough of Trump.

I can't say that 100% of my above speculation is true, but it is obvious that there is far more going on here than meets the eye, and it is not good for Trump.

for his own purposes. He learned how to acquire dirt on powerful people from Roy Cohn and use it to blackmail people for one of his real estate projects. Here's an article with a whole lotta dirt on Cohn and how it relates to Epstein's blackmail ring:

It is totally implausible that Trump could have been around underage prostitutes and not indulged. He has no self-restraint. But I think it is entirely plausible, if not highly likely, that Trump palled with Epstein more as a partner than as a client, with both of them knowing the value of Kompromat.

Regarding the mob, that's just another potential customer for the Kompromat. Again, Epstein didn't get rich by charging Prince Andrew by the hour for his 13-year-olds. He and Maxwell made their money by selling the dirt to entities that valued it much higher. As far as the hanging in a New York jail, it is probably a lot more likely that the mob would take care of a job like that more than the KGB or Mossad. Besides, why would the KGB care as long as Epstein game them the Kompromat? More likely that Epstein tried to extort the wrong guy.

And when has Trump ever stopped talking shit about other people? This smells different.

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She clearly had hands on all the Kompromat that Epstein produced over the years. She had the connections with the KGB, MI3, Mussad and perhaps other spy agencies through her father's work.

It was peculiar that she didn't really fight the prison sentence. Perhaps she figured that was the safest place to be, but that didn't work out so great for Epstein.

Perhaps she has control over enough of the Kompromat that as long as she keeps her mouth shut, she won't be the victim of an "unfortunate security lapse" in her prison.

... otherwise she would have been expendable years ago. Whatever she has didn't make her rich, but it's keeping her alive.

If she is found hung, the conspiracy would no longer be a conspiracy.

some living to do courteousy of a presidential pardon in her appeal of the duration of her sentence. Bondi will do her duty and close out the file. Maxwell was there for a lot of the fun and is the only live witness who could spill the beans.
She won’t and this big brohua will blow away. That’s how the game is played, love, set, and match.

You can be sure of that. But they have no particular reason to throw it into the public domain. The purpose of Kompromat is to force powerful people do do things they don't want to do.

N/t

this past Wednesday on Stephanie Miller that Trump is the most litigious person he has ever seen
so the fact that he hasn't sued Musk who claimed his name is on the list is very telling. Don't want to
do the discovery thing Donnie?

2 or 3 times this week...Maybe several times.
that is his M.O.
Perhaps try and fire the Fed Chairman....
Perhaps more DOGE drama...
WE would be smart to keep pushing on Epstein
no matter what!

If his religious base is upset about his “alleged”sexual transgressions, he can get them back with their favorite wedge issue.

Lyn-Manuel Miranda

We don't talk about....

he has an audience. They want a bucket or two more of proof that he has behaved in life like a saintly christian gentleman, right? I mean, there's no evidence to the contrary, is there?

Here are a few snips. There are plenty of nauseating photographs of trump with underage girls, including one particularly sickening one of his daughter when she was only 9. He had her at one of these "pageants."

snips....

Trump sat on the front row alongside a roster of celebrities, his nine-year-old daughter Ivanka perched on his knee.

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Lewis alleged that she saw Copperfield pour something into her glass and then blanked out, but says she retained hazy recollections of him sexually assaulting her in his hotel room.

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four former Elite models say that in the late 80s or early 90s, when they were teenagers, the agency required them to attend private dinners with Trump, Casablancas and sometimes other men.

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Scores of teenage girls in evening dresses and miniskirts, some as young as 14, danced under disco lights. It could have been a high school prom, were it not for the crowd of older men surrounding them.

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Everyone should read this article. It will leave little doubt in your mind that he probably did something(s) with underage girls.

Link to LaRaven's post: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220482449#post9

Thanks for that link, LaRaven. It is highly revealing.

I’ve rediscovered these stories and can’t believe how the MAGA folks were not aware of these stories. I believe Trump himself was a trafficker of young girls.

The links to Elite Modeling Agency and pedophile John Casablancas are pre and during Trump’s Epstein friendship. And Trump started his own agency and pageants for continued abuses. They were all using promises of modeling careers to young teenage women for their predatory uses.

Disgusting behaviors..

That's why they don't know.

There's this new fangled thing called the "internet"....

I saw an ad for an upcoming special about Krasnov's attempted assassinations. I won't be watching it.

Talk about it more. This Orange Weasel doesn't get to just shovel this disgusting stuff under. Line in the sand, and all...

So, let's start with what he said about the dead Epstein. He called him a creep. He doesn't mind demeaning the individual that he partied with so many times. WE HAVE THE PICS. I don't believe it's just guilt by association. Epstein was convicted, however.

We have his mealy mouthed excuse that, "Yes, I would release the files, but (there are) possibly lies in there, ruined lives and all." Paraphrased. WE HAVE THE VIDEO.

Then, we have Musk saying, "Time to drop the bomb. Trump is in the files. That's the reason they haven't been released. Have a nice day, DJT." I think a guy who has crawled through everyone's private government files and downloaded a lot of them might have the goods in the Epstein file department. Circumstantial, but interesting. WE HAVE THE TWEET.

Next, we have rumpy claiming that Clinton, Obama, and someone else, wrote the list. So, to me he's admitting there is evidence in the form of a client list. I think he wrote this on Truth Social. This is public info now. You can't have a supposedly nonexistent list written by your perceived enemies. But, I think that he realized that the "it doesn't exist" bit won't fly in the court of public opinion. Have to have something else to cloud that up.

Next, we have Bondi stating that SHE had the list on her desk and she was reviewing it. WE HAVE THE VIDEO. To dispose of the issue, she or DOJ or someone now states that the list doesn't exist at all. I find that to be a lie.

Next, there is the missing 61 seconds on the video of the cell block. How did that happen? I'm not sure if you can get in a locked cell, hang somene and exit all in that short period of time, but it has a high index of suspicion. Something fishy, there. WE HAVE THE VIDEO.

Epstein's brother thinks he was murdered, mostly based on two pathologists who stated that they thought it was murder. That's checkable. That is, if we could obtain the reports, which we can't. Epstein's brother couldn't.

Why are the Epstein files so important? I think our "president" is prominently featured in the pedophile's records. Also, others are also there, IMO. Lots of explaining to do, or lying. Easier to just say the files don't exist. Can't go from "I will release them" to "I will not release them." without that intervening step of "They actually don't exist." Just sweep it under the rug. Order everyone to forget it.

Eveyone knows that pedophiles are hated even by prisoners. I think rump raped that 13 year old, and crimed against the one that committed suicide. What would it take for his base to turn against him? This might be so awful that he would have to resign. Oh, I know, probably not, because his psychopathology won't allow that. And he has advisors which think Trump's government can't be brought down.

I think he had Epstein murdered. Oh, he didn't personally do it. But, I think he caused it. After that, the issue was gone for awhile, but then the files came up. And I think he is squirming aound a lot. I think it's ironic that the truly dumb creatures he himself appointed are doing such a lousy job of covering this up. I'd say Bondi's job is in jeopardy. She effed everything up by saying she had the list.

Does rumpy have a tendency to rape? Well, we have E.J. Carroll's lawsuit that says, Yes. We have a Judge who declared that judgement to be equivalent to rape.

I don't know why Clinton and Obama don't sue this evil man for defamation. He'd have to prove they wrote the list, which he can't. He'd have to produce the list to prove that. They should sue him for at least 5 billion dollars. Maybe 10 billion. I don't know what it would cost them. I think their lives would be in jeopardy. But, Good Gawd, look what the bastard is claiming! To think that they are accused of faking pedophile records is truly awful. Call him on it!! That's not within his official acts, is it? What would John Roberts do?

Let's all talk about this! Civil disobedience is a bitch. Let's give rump the headache which might give him the incentive to leave--or worse...

Bwhaha

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when there is so much going on. I still feel that way to some degree, but the MAGA meltdown is making me smile. May they all melt into piles of goo.

Researcher Whitney Webb wrote two volumes of - One Nation Under Blackmail. She goes into how he got his millions & covers info on his dealings with US and Israeli intelligence, organized crime & his dealings with powerful elites.

Webb says he made his fortune shortly after meeting Robert Maxwell - Ghislaines father - who was a known Mossad operative.

So - it’s about pedophelia but also about moving lots of money, weapons etc. it’s way beyond my comprehension. If you listen to Whitney in interviews- she’s like an encyclopedia.

Whitney says the story is more than Epstein and everything didn’t end just because he’s dead. He was not a lone wolf doing this and was working for others

Old X post of Whitney from 2020

Link to tweet

I’ll check it out.

Researcher Whitney Webb wrote two volumes of - One Nation Under Blackmail. She goes into how he got his millions & covers info on his dealings with US and Israeli intelligence, organized crime & his dealings with powerful elites.

Webb says he made his fortune shortly after meeting Robert Maxwell - Ghislaines father - who was a known Mossad operative.

So - it’s about pedophelia but also about moving lots of money, weapons etc. it’s way beyond my comprehension. If you listen to Whitney in interviews- she’s like an encyclopedia.

Whitney says the story is more than Epstein and everything didn’t end just because he’s dead. He was not a lone wolf doing this and was working for others

Old X post of Whitney from 2020

Link to tweet

matter to the majority of the Deplorable morons, I for one don’t think so.

(now). Maybe not ALL at the moment, but wait a couple of weeks and they'll all come back to the sheeple.

He has a real fear of this coming out. This behavior is universally despised. Not too many people would think it's okay. Even cult members with direct contact with some bum usually back off with this subject.

Even if they approved of all the cruelty involved with the immigration crack down, it would be hard for anyone with a daughter to approve of the rape of a child. If this were shown to be true, his support will wither and die.

I wonder who else is in there? Truly awful.

Clearly Chump has never been a religious man, and they suspect that he's phony when he pretends to be one.

A lot of MAGAs are fathers, brothers, and sons - sincere family men who hate anyone who threatens their womenfolk. These people take pedophilia seriously. When they finally realize that Chump has been lying to them all these years, there will be a reckoning and it won't be pretty.

Even his brain-dead zombie cult.

...Epstein's mother.

I'd set the scene initially with beauty pageants, then 'award' winners with a free plane ride to a secluded island, where they would be pampered, wined and dined, and the less observant ones with stars in their eyes be promised future supermodel status if they 'played along' with certain older males.

But the script has already been written in the real world, all you need to do is get the actors organised and the dialog written.

Trump wants to 'revise' his personal history, delete chunks of it, or keep them hidden.
Nothing to do with Epstein beyond what he helped Trump to do.

Epstein died in questionable circumstances.
That doesn't mean what happened didn't, what Trump did with Epstein's help doesn't just go away.

Hoping for a Watergate style moment to take Trump out.

Just to unclog the sewer lines that the US political scene has become, and the shyte can flow freely away from normal peoples' lives.

Just kicking this....

“A 13 or 14 year old girl, alleges that you and Epstein raped her at Epstein’s domicile, is that true and what do you say to the American people about the allegation”?

“President Trump, when you hosted the Teenage beauty contests, you would deliberately walk in on the young teenage girls while they were in a various stages of undress to include being naked. Do you think that that was appropriate or decent behavior, and do you think that is why there are questions about your being a pedophile”?

“Donald Trump, it is on record that you had fantasies about your daughter Ivanka, that you would date her if she wasn’t your daughter. Do you think that normal fathers have those types of desires”?

So this one might be worth asking (but nobody ever will).